From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 512 Date: 12/15/2005 5:48:13 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Stretching the KR2S??? (r56c1@netzero.net) 2. Ken Rand photo (Joe Beyer) 3. Re: Prop choice - power requirements (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Ken Rand photo (Ed Janssen) 5. Re: Stretching the KR2S??? (Mark Jones) 6. Re: Ken Rand photo (Mark Jones) 7. Re: Landing gear (mains) (Ron Butterfield) 8. Re: Landing gear (mains) (Ron Butterfield) 9. Re: Landing gear (mains) (Ameet Savant) 10. Re: Stretching the KR2S??? (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 11. New paint resource (Ronald R.Eason) 12. Re: Stretching the KR2S??? (idrawtobuild@bak.rr.com) 13. Re: Stretching the KR2S??? (Kenneth Wiltrout) 14. Ken Rand Page (Mark Jones) 15. RE: A little hanger flying (James Babcock) 16. Stretching the KR2S part 2 ??? (r56c1@netzero.net) 17. A Tribute to Ken Rand (Mark Jones) 18. A Tribute to Ken Rand (Mark Jones) 19. Re: A Tribute to Ken Rand (Scott William) 20. Re: A Tribute to Ken Rand (Keith & Martha Crawford) 21. Re: Prop choice - power requirements (MFREEMAN2@indy.rr.com) 22. web page (Larry&Sallie Flesner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:54:34 GMT From: "r56c1@netzero.net" Subject: KR> Stretching the KR2S??? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051214.215507.29358.146646@webmail44.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain I am starting on a KR2S and im adding a extra 14" bay to the aft end, and will be widening the cabin 6" also. I have heard where I would need to add extra longerons for this and others mention nothing of this... I need to know the proper way of doing this so I end up with a safe plane??? I would appriciate any help I can get. Thanks. Ron... ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:02:41 -0800 From: "Joe Beyer" Subject: KR> Ken Rand photo To: Message-ID: <200512150902.jBF92cp01307@atlas.spiretech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:33:43 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Ken Rand photo. To: "KR Net \(E-mail\)" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F35C10424@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Bob Stone has sent me a photo of Ken and himself from back in 1974. >This is one of the better photos I have seen of Ken. >We thought we would share this with all of you. Here is the link: Ken crashed in '79, not '74 as stated in the photo caption. -Joe ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:37:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Prop choice - power requirements To: Message-ID: <43A1476F.000003.03440@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It is up now. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC There is a website http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/javaprop.htm. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:08:01 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> Ken Rand photo To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c60170$3264ce70$6400a8c0@dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Seems like the photo of Ken sitting on the couch was circulated on the net maybe a couple of years or so ago. Also, a picture of Ken flying his prototype KR-1 was shown around the same time. If anyone wants a copy of it for their archives, e-mail me. Ed Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com Mark Jones wrote: > >Bob Stone has sent me a photo of Ken and himself from back in 1974. > >This is > one of the better photos I have seen of Ken. >We thought we would > share this > with all of you. Here is the link: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:27:43 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Stretching the KR2S??? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000d01c60172$f34199a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ron, When stretching the fuselage, you do not need extra longerons just longer ones. Make sure when you buy your spruce kit that the longeron material is sufficient in length. You should avoid splicing or scarfing the longerons at all cost. This is also true of your cross members. There have been some planes built with spliced longerons and cross bars but it is best not to. Just do a few simple calculations and make sure you order the correct spruce for the job. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my NEW KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:54 PM Subject: KR> Stretching the KR2S??? > I am starting on a KR2S and im adding a extra 14" bay to the aft end, > and will be widening the cabin 6" also. I have heard where I would need to add extra longerons for this and others mention nothing of this... I need to know the proper way of doing this so I end up with a safe plane??? I would appriciate any help I can get. > Thanks. Ron... > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:32:39 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Ken Rand photo To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002e01c60173$a39d4e20$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ed, If you send it to me, I will put it on the web site with the other photo. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my NEW KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Janssen" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:08 AM Subject: Re: KR> Ken Rand photo > Seems like the photo of Ken sitting on the couch was circulated on > the net > maybe a couple of years or so ago. > > Also, a picture of Ken flying his prototype KR-1 was shown around the > same time. If anyone wants a copy of it for their archives, e-mail > me. > > Ed > > Ed Janssen > mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com > > > Mark Jones wrote: > > > >Bob Stone has sent me a photo of Ken and himself from back in 1974. This > is > > one of the better photos I have seen of Ken. >We thought we would > > share > this > > with all of you. Here is the link: > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:54:42 -0500 From: Ron Butterfield Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear (mains) To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215095351.01d97538@pop.mebtel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 11:33 PM 12/14/05, Ron Smith wrote: >Has anyone ever made fiberglass mains for the Kr with a similar >construction to the Grove gear? Harold Woods used the fiberglass leaf springs from a Chevy Astro van. I'll forward his message to you off list. Regards, RonB ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:04:40 -0500 From: Ron Butterfield Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear (mains) To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051215100403.02b87198@pop.mebtel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 09:54 AM 12/15/05, I wrote: >Harold Woods used the fiberglass leaf springs from a Chevy Astro van. My bad, it was someone else, who I can't find at the moment :-( Regards, RonB ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:09:38 -0800 (PST) From: Ameet Savant Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear (mains) To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051215150938.7999.qmail@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ron, Steve Lemke made his own fiberglass gear. I believe he still monitors this list. If he does not respond, I will send you his email off the list. Ameet --- Ron Smith wrote: > Has anyone ever made fiberglass mains for the Kr > with a similar construction to the Grove gear? What > I'm talking about is a bow like structure that would > be flat along the bottom, then a curved arc from the > fuselage to the wheels. I was thinking of 1/2 inch > foam for the inside core, with spruce where the main > brackets attach ( to avoid the crush effect), and a > taper down to solid aluminum where the wheel axles > attach. I was going to use unidirectional fiberglass > with a buildup to the point where I would have > about 13k lb failure point. > > I guess I could just fork out 1000 dollars for the > Grove Gear, but I like experimenting. > > Any thoughts? > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! > Shopping > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:57:36 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Stretching the KR2S??? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051215.112026.2572.4.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A properly spliced joint is stronger than the original wood. Scarf should be minimum 10/1 to 16/1. Have no fear. The skin also covers the joint, Virg On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:27:43 -0600 "Mark Jones" writes: > Ron, > When stretching the fuselage, you do not need extra longerons just > longer > ones. Make sure when you buy your spruce kit that the longeron > material is > sufficient in length. You should avoid splicing or scarfing the > longerons at > all cost. This is also true of your cross members. There have been > some > planes built with spliced longerons and cross bars but it is best > not to. > Just do a few simple calculations and make sure you order the > correct spruce > for the job. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my NEW > KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:54 PM > Subject: KR> Stretching the KR2S??? > > > > I am starting on a KR2S and im adding a extra 14" bay to the aft > end, and > will be widening the cabin 6" also. I have heard where I would need > to add > extra longerons for this and others mention nothing of this... I > need to > know the proper way of doing this so I end up with a safe plane??? > I would > appriciate any help I can get. > > Thanks. Ron... > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:06:48 -0600 From: "Ronald R.Eason" Subject: KR> New paint resource To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <005501c60199$efbb9570$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://pc.dupont.com/HotHues/webengine/hothues/Controller This is of interests also. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/thomas/iennascar/index.php KRron ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:07:19 -0800 From: Subject: Re: KR> Stretching the KR2S??? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000901c6019a$0225f070$6401a8c0@qcnotebook> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: KR> Stretching the KR2S??? >I am starting on a KR2S and im adding a extra 14" bay to the aft end, and >will be widening the cabin 6" also. I have heard where I would need to add >extra longerons for this and others mention nothing of this... Ron There 2 ways of doing this that I know of. You can use the 5/8" longerons and the outside one should have a scarf at least 12" into the area where you double up through the cabin area. Or you can do as I did. I went to the local lumber store and bought one 2 x 6 DF Clear. That means with absollutely no knotts in the stick any where. I cut each one 1 1/8" sq. Then when I was past the cabin area where the plans called for the doubler to be tapered and brought to an end. I just cut two sides of the longerons on the table saw and then I used a ban saw and cut a taper into the cuts that I made. Then you would have only one longeron on ea. side and then they both will be absent of any glue joint in the area of the doubled area. I'm sure that someone will have another idea that you may like even more than this one. If you want, you can 'e' me direct and I'll give you my phone number. Good luck Greg Martin ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:15:55 -0600 From: "Kenneth Wiltrout" Subject: Re: KR> Stretching the KR2S??? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000701c601a3$972c7cd0$2f01a8c0@gatewayzk8r233> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ron be sure to calculate this additional aft arm before u do this, KR's have a very short CG and pushing the entire tail section aft will most certainly affect it. U will need to move something forward and that could even mean the engine. I have a 13 gal header tank and after an hr of flight w a passanger it becomes quite noticable and I need to trim the nose down. Be safe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:27 AM Subject: Re: KR> Stretching the KR2S??? > Ron, > When stretching the fuselage, you do not need extra longerons just longer > ones. Make sure when you buy your spruce kit that the longeron material is > sufficient in length. You should avoid splicing or scarfing the longerons at > all cost. This is also true of your cross members. There have been some > planes built with spliced longerons and cross bars but it is best not to. > Just do a few simple calculations and make sure you order the correct spruce > for the job. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my NEW > KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:54 PM > Subject: KR> Stretching the KR2S??? > > > > I am starting on a KR2S and im adding a extra 14" bay to the aft end, and > will be widening the cabin 6" also. I have heard where I would need to add > extra longerons for this and others mention nothing of this... I need to > know the proper way of doing this so I end up with a safe plane??? I would > appriciate any help I can get. > > Thanks. Ron... > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:54:13 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Ken Rand Page To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <002401c601a8$f1437020$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have posted a couple more photos and a link to a tribute to the KR. Here is the link: http://www.flykr2s.com/kenrand.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my NEW KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:22:57 -0600 From: "James Babcock" Subject: RE: KR> A little hanger flying To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey, Jeff, here's my little experience with oil temp sensors, I hope I don't repeat what others may have said. On my 2180 VW the oil temps ran too high so I relocated the oil cooler and tried different ducts etc, etc until a little light bulb came on and I began to suspect the sender unit. I work in a hospital lab so I have access to calibrated high sensitivity thermometers. I got an electric hot plate, some cooking oil and a saucepan and heated the oil with the sensor and thermometer in the pan. Sure enough, the sensor was reading 15 F too high! I wish I had tried that six months before so I could have been flying the KR instead of messing around under the cowling. >From: >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" ,"Ed Janssen" >Subject: KR> A little hanger flying >Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:02:50 -0500 > >I was actually at a small airport back a few years ago and seen a mini max >EROS in an open hanger. I thought it looked like the coolest little >airplane >I had ever seen. It reminded me of a RANs airplane, but I do not remember >the model. Anyway, the guy had painted the EROS red. I did not get to see >it >run or fly as the owner was not around. For that matter there was not a >single person around on the airport. But as I said , my thoughts where "man >is that a cool little airplane" > >I used to travel a lot more then I do today. When I would be out of town on >business, I would make a point of trying to find the local airport or I >would actually drive secondary roads just to find remote little airports. I >just wanted to be around airplanes. This habit of finding airports got me >to >a lot of very remote and sometimes very small airports. Most of the time, I >would find the airport but there would not be a single person there. Most >of >the airports would have the open community hangers so I could just walk >through and look at plane after plane. > >By the way, one of the coolest airports I ever got to was, Washington >County >airport in Southern Indiana. The FBO was manned by the local EAA chapter. >Everyone in the chapter signed up to share their duty. The fuel pump was on >the honor system and I think it had a box that you would slip you money >into. The walls where cover in the torn t shirts, solo awards. They have a >little fly in every fall I believe. I went a few times and it was an >awesome >big little fly in. > >This reminds me of the time I was at another little airport somewhere in >Indiana. A guy flew in with a small Rans. I think it was a model S-9 or >something like that. Anyway , he pulls up to me because I was standing >close to the water hose. > >He gets out of his little plane and begins to wash it off. To wash the >bottom of the plane, he grabs a lawn chair that was sitting near by. You >know, one of those web lawn chairs. He grabs one side of his plane and >lifts >it up and sets the landing gear down in the lawn chair. He then could slid >under the airplane and finishes washing it. I was so amazed by this I had >to >watch. We talked and when he finished, he climbed in, grabbed a pull >starter, you know, like to ones you find on a snow mobile, pulls it, the >engine comes to life and he taxi's off. > >That was many years ago and I am sure it was before I had my pilots >license. >Not that you wanted to hear all this but, what the heck, I wrote it anyway. > >I guess this is as close to hanger flying as I am going to get today. > >As far as the next KR gathering, yes I plan to go, but the next time I >promise myself to have the KR there. I thought I was going to have it there >last fall. But, I had not solved my oil temp problem, which as I mentioned >previously, may not have even been a problem anyway. Oh , and on that >subject, I also realized that my oil temp sensor is very close to my >exhaust, so I may have even been picking up inaccurate readings anyway. So >, >as soon as I finish my baffling redo, I will relocate my oil temp unit >also. > >Ok, its getting near the holidays and I guess I am getting a little >sentimental. Don't ban me from the list, remember, I did mention my oil >temp >problem and the fact my sensor is to close to the exhaust so there may be >some official KR value there. > >Have a great day, > >Jeff York >KR-2 Flying >N839BG >Home page http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ >My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 >Email jeffyork40@qx.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ed Janssen" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:20 PM >Subject: Re: Hi Jeff Re: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > > > > Jeff, > > > > I can sure relate to family commmittments. I've had five boys myself. >All > > that's behind me now though. Good luck on finishing up the plane. It's > > sure a beauty. > > > > I just finished up scratch-building a Minimax Eros (if you know what >they > > are) and is now flying. I also have a KR-2 project that needs >refurbishing, > > so now that I have something to fly, I guess I'll get back to work on >it. > > > > Maybe you'll make the next Gathering. > > > > Ed > > > > Ed Janssen > > mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Ed Janssen" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:31 PM > > Subject: Re: Hi Jeff Re: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > > > > > > > Yes , I flew it several times ( about 16 hours worth) before taking it > > down > > > for what I thought would be a little cowling mod. > > > > > > The story on that is , a friend and fellow pilot ( who also built a > > > homebuilt and is a professional pilot, just to qualify him) thought >that > > the > > > oil temps where to high. We had been flying it around for several >hours > > > when he noticed this on the last of many take offs. > > > > > > So , I began the search to fix this issue. I began by modifying the >lower > > > cowling as we suspected the low pressure side was actually to high due >to > > > the intake. > > > > > > Well, with kids, job change and so on, that modification alone ended >up > > > taking a over a year. Oh, I also forgot to mention losing my hanger as > > well. > > > I ended up having to store the plane for over a year. > > > > > > Forward to near present. > > > > > > After getting the cowling done, and getting back into hanger of my own >( > > > shared the last one) I began the slow and not so regular procedure of > > > putting it back together. > > > > > > Once back together, I took it back up. Several taxi tests and such as >I > > > wanted to re acquaint myself with it. > > > > > > It was just like riding a bike. Took only a little while to get the >hang > > of > > > it. > > > > > > The result of several flight tests showed no change in oil temps. I >then > > > noticed a string of KR net messages on the subject of temps. The >bottom > > line > > > of those emails lead me to believe that I may not have really had a >oil > > temp > > > problem after all. My oil temps where seeing 220 F. Since this was in > > climb > > > but I was afraid of cooking an engine per my friends thoughts. I then > > > decided to redo my engine baffling. > > > > > > This is where I am at present. You can see pictures of current state >of > > > baffle work on my website. > > > > > > I also got involved with a Piper Cherokee. That I think I will have to > > back > > > out of it as the pre inspection was not what I was lead to believe and >now > > > that same mechanic is telling me a whole different story on the >annual. > > Long > > > story but the short of it is that I think I am backing out of that >deal. > > > > > > So between watching my kids and house chores , job, yada yada... I am > > > getting there. > > > > > > I know, if you have your priorities straight.. and I do, I love my >plane > > but > > > not to the extent of having my 3 year old trying to sleep in my van or > > > running around while I work on my plane. > > > > > > I just need to figure out how to have more hours in the day and more >free > > > time on the weekends. > > > > > > Jeff York > > > KR-2 Flying > > > N839BG > > > Home page http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ > > > My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 > > > Email jeffyork40@qx.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ed Janssen" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:03 PM > > > Subject: Hi Jeff Re: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > > > > > > > > > > Jeff, > > > > > > > > I remember first seeing a picture of your beautiful KR2 shortly >after > > you > > > > bought it quite some time ago. I haven't seen any flight reports. >Have > > > you > > > > actually flown it yet? > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > Ed Janssen > > > > mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: "KRnet" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:42 AM > > > > Subject: Re: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I meant to say was that in 18 years of flying, he may have >never > > > > really > > > > > thought of this situation as being a problem > > > > > > > > > > It also brought to my mind the thought that wheel pants ( not in >his > > > > > situation) and other items may allow for ice build up from >splashing > > > water > > > > > on the taxiways. > > > > > > > > > > Or in other words, it refreshes our minds to remember that winter > > flying > > > > > brings with it additional things to consider other then just how >to > > stay > > > > > warm when we fly. > > > > > > > > > > Not sure if I am getting my point across but what I am trying to >say > > > that > > > > I > > > > > was glad I read this because it made me think. > > > > > > > > > > Jeff York > > > > > KR-2 Flying > > > > > N839BG > > > > > Home page http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ > > > > > My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my >KR-2 > > > > > Email jeffyork40@qx.net > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron Freiberger" > > > > > To: "'KRnet'" > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:59 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you preflight ice buildup? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Freiberger > > > > > > mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: KR> Re:Wet Runways in the winter > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kip's story say's a lot for all of us to think about. > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that he has flown this plane for 18 years and never had > > this > > > > > > problem. Therefore this was never part of his preflight. WOW !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > Search the KRnet Archives at >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:04:20 GMT From: "r56c1@netzero.net" Subject: KR> Stretching the KR2S part 2 ??? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051215.140457.28172.152914@webmail33.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain First off, thanks for the posts I have gotten so far. Very helpfull... My longerons are long enough (thanks Aicraft Spruce and Specialty) so I wont have to scarf them, and I will keep the aft bays at 14" including the extra bay with the exception of the last one. To me it makes sence to have the extra verticle for strength, and it will add very little weight. I will most likely end up using a Corvair engine and plan to adjust the C.G. with the engine mount. I wanted to use a 300 Lycoming, but the prop would hit the ground and cause a vibration that I dont think I could live with... I guess my main concern is that will my aircraft be structualy strong enough doing it this way, or do I need extra modifications to the fuselage anywhere??? Thanks so much for all the help. Ron... ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:17:39 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> A Tribute to Ken Rand To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <006701c601cd$bed82e80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It just keeps getting better. Check out the beautiful painting presented to Jeannette Rand in 1992 by artist Herb Bull. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my NEW KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:19:26 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> A Tribute to Ken Rand To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <007101c601cd$fdfede60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It just keeps getting better. Check out the beautiful painting presented to Jeannette Rand in 1992 by artist Herb Bull. Here is the link: http://flykr2s.com/kenrand.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my NEW KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:30:50 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> A Tribute to Ken Rand To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051215233050.15153.qmail@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I never got a chance to know that guy. That makes me sad. Scott --- Mark Jones wrote: > It just keeps getting better. Check out the > beautiful painting presented to Jeannette Rand in > 1992 by artist Herb Bull. > Here is the link: http://flykr2s.com/kenrand.html > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my NEW > KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:01:01 -0500 From: Keith & Martha Crawford Subject: Re: KR> A Tribute to Ken Rand To: KRnet Message-ID: <3EE6644A-4338-40FF-A037-577238713AAD@simerson.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I see a osprey in the panting, did he also design that? Keith Crawford ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:12:46 -0500 From: MFREEMAN2@indy.rr.com Subject: Re: KR> Prop choice - power requirements To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The aerotools/airfoils web site still isn't working. It says "the page cannot be displayed". ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Diffey Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:25 pm Subject: KR> Prop choice - power requirements > Hi, > > Has anybody ever published a power/max speed graph for a typical > KR2 and > a similar thing for a typical KR2S. > > There is a website http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/javaprop.htm. > > It has a Java applet you can use to design your own prop, you just > need > to put in max speed, max power, prop diam, and it will work out > pitch, > and blade chord.. > > Thats where this power/max speed graph comes in, given I know how > much > power my engine produces, I need to know the max speed - then > bingo I > can ask prop people intellegent questions instead of the usual > finger in > air approach. > > Pete Diffey > St Albans, UK > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:43:56 -0600 From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Subject: KR> web page To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051215194314.03946388@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 07:12 PM 12/15/2005, you wrote: >The aerotools/airfoils web site still isn't working. It says "the page >cannot be displayed". > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I just tried it and it works for me. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 512 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================