From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 53 Date: 2/6/2005 8:28:02 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Buying wood (Bubba) 2. Re: Buying wood (patrick36@usfamily.net) 3. Buying Wood (ronevogt@cox.net) 4. Re: Buying Wood (JAMES FERRIS) 5. Assembler, was Newbie Questions (Dana Overall) 6. RE: Knock out punch, Assembler, was Newbie Questions (Jack Cooper) 7. Re: Buying wood (Bubba) 8. Re: Buying Wood (Bubba) 9. Re: Assembler, was Newbie Questions (Bubba) 10. Re: Assembler, was Newbie Questions (Dana Overall) 11. Re: Re: KR> Fw: CorvAircraft> Links to the KR2 Project for sale (wynoose@bellsouth.net) 12. Re: N41768 is HOME ! (Eduardo Iglesias) 13. Re: Knock out punch, Assembler, was Newbie Questions (Bubba) 14. Re: Assembler, was Newbie Questions (Jack Cooper) 15. Re: Assembler, was Newbie Questions (Brant Hollensbe) 16. Re: Assembler, was Newbie Questions (Bubba) 17. Re: Buying Wood (RENOSADLER@aol.com) 18. Re: Buying Wood (Bubba) 19. Tweety Flew (Orma) 20. Buying Wood (Oscar Zuniga) 21. Re: Tweety Flew (Mark Jones) 22. Re: Tweety Flew (Orma) 23. W & B today (Dan Heath) 24. Re: Tweety Flew (Bubba) 25. RE: Tweety Flew (Brian Kraut) 26. W & B today (Kevin Jarvis) 27. Sanding wing fairing (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:13:10 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: KR> Buying wood To: "KRNet" Message-ID: <096701c50c2c$155c1de0$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original A few years ago, the first time I started thinking about building a KR, there was a bunch of talk about the difficulty of finding decent sitka spruce. Has that changed any? Because of that, and the need for more strength, I had decided to use douglas fir. That decision still stands for the most part, but now I'm thinking I'd rather buy wood locally so I can get what I need for a weekend without getting slaughtered with shipping. Doing it that way will reduce the chances of wood getting damaged while waiting to be used. Anyway, is there anyone in/near Houston that knows of a lumberyard that carries a BUNCH of douglas fir in fairly large lengths? I need 14' minimum, 16' would be nice so I can true up both ends. Hey, here's a thought. How about if I get ahold of my friendly neighborhood EAA chapter and start bugging them? ;) There's one at CXO where I'm planning on keeping my KR and whatever spam can we wind up with. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:46:20 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> Buying wood To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000d01c50c6b$64f5ee00$958dd440@usf285120> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bubba, The first KR I built, I went to the local boat yard in White Bear Lake, MN and bought some Sitka spruce from them. The local FBO at So. St. Paul airport carried aircraft plywood so I was covered all directions. Try a boat building shop in your area but don't tell them you are building an airplane. Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN 55102 patrick36@usfamily.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bubba" To: "KRNet" Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 3:13 AM Subject: KR> Buying wood > A few years ago, the first time I started thinking about building a > KR, there was a bunch of talk about the difficulty of > finding decent sitka spruce. Has that changed any? Because of that, > and the need for > more strength, I had decided to use douglas fir. That decision still stands > for the most part, but now I'm thinking I'd rather buy wood locally so > I can > get what I need for a weekend without getting slaughtered with > shipping. Doing it that way will reduce the chances of wood getting > damaged while waiting to be used. > > Anyway, is there anyone in/near Houston that knows of a lumberyard > that carries a BUNCH of douglas fir in fairly large lengths? I need > 14' minimum, > 16' would be nice so I can true up both ends. > > Hey, here's a thought. How about if I get ahold of my friendly neighborhood > EAA chapter and start bugging them? ;) There's one at CXO where I'm planning > on keeping my KR and whatever spam can we wind up with. > -- > Steve > N205FT > mysticz28@swbell.net > He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:17:13 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Buying Wood To: Message-ID: <20050206181713.XGYW4519.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Netters; The topic of what wood to use to build a wooden airplane has always been a hot topic. Studies reveal that douglas fir is stronger than spruce, but slightly heavier. The strongest, most stable fir is old growth CVG: Old growth means more than 10 growth rings per inch - it really has nothing to do with age of the tree, and CVG means Clear, verticle grain. If you examine any unit of lumber, you'll find some of the the boards have more than ten rings per inch. That board could then be resawn, ensuring that the rings are verticle, deleting the knots, and be used for aircraft building. Since most mill-run construction lumber isn't dried, a builder would want to season it until the moisture content is reducted to a minimum in order to ensure that the fibers sabilize. And, of course, once the wood is built into a airplane, it should be sealed so it won't reabsorb moisture. I recall reading about builders who used douglas fir for construction of a KR, and the added weight was less than 10 lbs. Therefore, I think using douglas fir is a viable option for builing KRs...or any wooden airplane. However, if you insist on using spruce, I have a KR-2s fuselage, built of spruce, for sale right now...for only $150. Come and get it boys! RV ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:28:08 -0500 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> Buying Wood To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050206.132811.2624.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Where are you located? thanks Jim On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:17:13 -0500 writes: > Netters; > The topic of what wood to use to build a wooden airplane has > always been a hot topic. Studies reveal that douglas fir is > stronger than spruce, but slightly heavier. The strongest, most > stable fir is old growth CVG: Old growth means more than 10 growth > rings per inch - it really has nothing to do with age of the tree, > and CVG means Clear, verticle grain. > If you examine any unit of lumber, you'll find some of the the > boards have more than ten rings per inch. That board could then be > resawn, ensuring that the rings are verticle, deleting the knots, > and be used for aircraft building. Since most mill-run construction > lumber isn't dried, a builder would want to season it until the > moisture content is reducted to a minimum in order to ensure that > the fibers sabilize. And, of course, once the wood is built into a > airplane, it should be sealed so it won't reabsorb moisture. > I recall reading about builders who used douglas fir for > construction of a KR, and the added weight was less than 10 lbs. > Therefore, I think using douglas fir is a viable option for builing > KRs...or any wooden airplane. > However, if you insist on using spruce, I have a KR-2s > fuselage, built of spruce, for sale right now...for only $150. Come > and get it boys! > > RV > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:46:50 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: KR> Assembler, was Newbie Questions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Your Oshkosh expert must be an RV assembler. (Sorry Dana. It's a cheap >shot, but I had to take it!) > Ouch Jeff!!, a quick right to the jaw:-). It "ain't" Friday but it is Super Bowl Sunday so here goes. Got my firewall painted Imron black, installed engine mount, black engine bed, gold powder coated engine, battery box, battery contactor, starter contactor, in line alternator ANL, battery bus, main bus, diode, essential bus, instrument panel, pilot and co pilot mic and audio jacks and assorted wiring. Fired up the Garmin 430 and talked with an airplane in the pattern at i39. Also got the antenna wiring problem fixed (my fault) and the 430 "found" itself. I'm 3.39 miles from, on a heading of 161 from i39. Pretty cool to sit the airplane, turn the lights off and watch the 430 go to auto dim. Listened to traffic alerts as airplanes flew into the pattern on my Monroy Air Traffic Alert system..............traffic, traffic, traffic nearby.........................DUCK!! (Sorry I added that, although it would be much more of a hoot if it did) IT'S ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE!! Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:43:28 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR>Knock out punch, Assembler, was Newbie Questions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-2200520619432815@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I think Dana is going to deliver the knock out punch when he flies his assembled kit before many of us who have been building our KRs long before he started assembling. Sometimes I wish I could put rivet A into hole B and go flying, or is that rivet 7281 into hole 7282? Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Dana Overall > To: > Date: 2/6/2005 1:46:50 PM > Subject: KR> Assembler, was Newbie Questions > > >Your Oshkosh expert must be an RV assembler. (Sorry Dana. It's a > >cheap shot, but I had to take it!) > > > > > Ouch Jeff!!, a quick right to the jaw:-). It "ain't" Friday but it > is > Super Bowl Sunday so here goes. > > Got my firewall painted Imron black, installed engine mount, black > engine > bed, gold powder coated engine, battery box, battery contactor, starter > contactor, in line alternator ANL, battery bus, main bus, diode, essential > bus, instrument panel, pilot and co pilot mic and audio jacks and assorted > wiring. Fired up the Garmin 430 and talked with an airplane in the pattern > at i39. Also got the antenna wiring problem fixed (my fault) and the > 430 > "found" itself. I'm 3.39 miles from, on a heading of 161 from i39. Pretty > cool to sit the airplane, turn the lights off and watch the 430 go to auto > dim. Listened to traffic alerts as airplanes flew into the pattern on > my > Monroy Air Traffic Alert system..............traffic, traffic, traffic > nearby.........................DUCK!! (Sorry I added that, although it would > be much more of a hoot if it did) > > > IT'S ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE!! > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:59:55 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> Buying wood To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0a3101c50c86$6f3bfb00$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original patrick36@usfamily.net wrote: > Bubba, > The first KR I built, I went to the local boat yard in White Bear > Lake, MN and bought some Sitka spruce from them. The local FBO at So. > St. Paul > airport carried aircraft plywood so I was covered all directions. > Try a boat building shop in your area but don't tell them you are > building an airplane. Ahh, good idea. Boat builders use fir, too. If they insist on know what I'm doing I'll say it's a really big model. Built about the same and it will contain servos anyway ;) Speaking of that, I'd like an extremely basic autopilot, mostly just a wing leveler and altitude hold. I have schematics and source code for the altitude half of it, but couldn't find anything for the leveler. But since I'm going to use RC servos for the trim tabs, why not just use an RC gyro? I'll have to dig around and find out exactly how the helicopter heading lock servos work vs. normal gyros, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:06:03 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> Buying Wood To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0a3a01c50c87$4a6e2d60$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ronevogt@cox.net wrote: > > Since most mill-run construction lumber isn't dried, a builder would > want to season it until the moisture content is reducted to a minimum > in order to ensure that the fibers sabilize. If I remember right there is kiln dried wood available for furniture makers. I suspect that's the place to start looking. There's a woodworking store down the road a bit that might be able to get it. I had forgotten about them. > I recall reading about builders who used douglas > fir for construction of a KR, and the added weight was less than 10 > lbs. Therefore, I think using douglas fir is a viable option for > builing KRs...or any wooden airplane. Hemlock is another choice, but isn't as easy to find as fir according to what I've read. Fir is the best choice in my opinion. Lots of it around once you find the right source, much cheaper, and I can spare a few extra pounds for the extra strength. > However, if you insist on using > spruce, I have a KR-2s fuselage, built of spruce, for sale right > now...for only $150. Come and get it boys! If it was close to Houston I'd seriously consider it even though I'm wanting a narrowed, stretched fuselage. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:09:53 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> Assembler, was Newbie Questions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0a4301c50c87$d368dbb0$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dana Overall wrote: > > Got my firewall painted Imron black Does Imron stick to stuff besides aluminum? I've never used it. Personally I'm going to engine turn all the stainless and aluminum under the cowl, but everything else is getting painted. Plain, boring arctic white with a red/blue color changing stripe down the sides of the fuselage and on the tips of the stabs and wings. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:16:55 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Assembler, was Newbie Questions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Bubba" > > Got my firewall painted Imron black > >Does Imron stick to stuff besides aluminum? I've never used it. >Personally Sure it does. My firewall is stainless, all I did (with advice from others) was scuff it up and prime it with a self etching primer then shoot it with Imron. Supposed to do fine, only time wil tell. Jack, I don't know about the flying thing. Just got back from looking at 5.9 acres with a pond, creek and woods to build a new log home on. Better get finished with the airplane before logs get in the way. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:46:14 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: KR> Fw: CorvAircraft> Links to the KR2 Project for sale To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050206204614.SVZI2069.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 mike horwood is in Milan,mich.--the kr-2 fuse & add'l parts--don't know why the Alaska bit. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:15:16 -0300 From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Subject: Re: KR> N41768 is HOME ! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c50c90$25535790$696e55c8@iglesias> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Bill Congratulations for the long trip!!! It interest me to know which was the gas consumption of the Corvair (how many Hp?. To 3000 feet, did you still have possibilities of good ascent? Thank you --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:27:05 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR>Knock out punch, Assembler, was Newbie Questions To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <0a7401c50c92$9c092250$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jack Cooper wrote: > I think Dana is going to deliver the knock out punch when he flies his > assembled kit before many of us who have been building our KRs long > before he started assembling. Sometimes I wish I could put rivet A > into hole B and go flying, or is that rivet 7281 into hole 7282? Am I the only one envisioning a flying erector set? ;) -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:28:40 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> Assembler, was Newbie Questions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22005206212840750@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dana How can you land a RV on 5.9 acres with a creek, pond, woods and a log home on it? You'll need more grass or rotor blades one. Oh, you don't do rotors do you. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Dana Overall > To: > Date: 2/6/2005 3:16:55 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Assembler, was Newbie Questions > > >From: "Bubba" > > > Got my firewall painted Imron black > > > >Does Imron stick to stuff besides aluminum? I've never used it. Personally > > Sure it does. My firewall is stainless, all I did (with advice from others) > was scuff it up and prime it with a self etching primer then shoot it with > Imron. Supposed to do fine, only time wil tell. > > Jack, I don't know about the flying thing. Just got back from looking > at > 5.9 acres with a pond, creek and woods to build a new log home on. Better > get finished with the airplane before logs get in the way. > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:34:13 -0600 From: "Brant Hollensbe" Subject: Re: KR> Assembler, was Newbie Questions To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <001401c50c93$9a29e590$0702a8c0@bruntson> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original FLOATS, of course > How can you land a RV on 5.9 acres with a creek, pond, woods and a log > home Brant Hollensbe bhollensbe@mchsi.com DSM Iowa ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:23:57 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> Assembler, was Newbie Questions To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <0aae01c50c9a$8e38a120$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jack Cooper wrote: > Dana > How can you land a RV on 5.9 acres with a creek, pond, woods and a log > home on it? You'll need more grass or rotor blades one. Oh, you don't > do rotors do you. Good, old fashioned 1 point landing? Getting in is easy, getting out might take a bigger engine. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:34:12 EST From: RENOSADLER@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Buying Wood To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Steve is it just the boat you have built or do you have th tali feathers to? ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:21:08 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> Buying Wood To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0ae101c50ca2$8b1dfa00$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original RENOSADLER@aol.com wrote: > Steve is it just the boat you have built or do you have th tali > feathers to? I have nothing yet, but gimme a month or two and I'll have at least a funny looking canoe in the garage. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:42:36 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Tweety Flew To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00c501c50ca5$8a6c07c0$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The OAT was 44, but inside the cockpit was a toasty 65. I finally managed to finish up the turbo install by completing the pipe wrap to keep the heat of the turbo away from as much as possible. This is the first time the bird was up after rebuilding the turbo. It seems that not all of my problems went away. Oil is still coming out of the exhaust. On my next trip to the airport, I plan to drain and refill the oil system and ensure that I am not overloading the tank with too much oil. If it still wants to spill oil into the exhaust, then I'll probably have to put in the vanagon oil pump that has the two pumping chambers. Anyway, the bird still climbs great. It was almost dark when I went up so I could not spend a long time in the air. If anyone wants a great inside/outside temp gauge, Walmart was selling small skinny one's for $9.95 this past summer. It uses a small OAT pick up and has a long enough wire to mount it anywhere you want. Hay Mark J are you making good use of this heat wave?? Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:15:02 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Buying Wood To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Steve wrote- >If it was close to Houston I'd seriously consider it even though I'm >wanting >a narrowed, stretched fuselage. How about Kerrville? You could get on I-10, head west out of Houston for about 4 hrs., and be there. There's still a "boat" with wing spars for sale there, but it sure won't be $150. I have photos and contact info if you're interested (off-line, please). Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:38:19 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Tweety Flew To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d901c50cad$588342c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" > Hay Mark J are you making good use of this heat wave?? Sort of, I began the installation of my carb heat. I convinced myself not to fly until I had it installed. The muff was backordered from Wick's and will be delivered this week. I am having to do a slight mod to my bottom cowl to allow room for the carb airbox. When the next heat wave commeth, I will be ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been doing a lot of YEEEEHAAAAAAAAAA practicing. My wife thinks I have some sort of disease. We went to the theater two nights ago and watched The Aviator. Karen says I remind her of Howard Hughes' obsession with aviation. She thought things would change when I finished building......she was wrong. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:20:11 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Tweety Flew To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00de01c50cbb$8e1b5220$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original obsession with aviation. Poor lady, she has only seen the tip of your Iceberg. Just look at Bill, I don't think he has had a weekend at home lately. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:45:13 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> W & B today To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4206D639.00000C.02884@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jerry came over and we did some W & B measurements and I then used a spread sheet that is on our site, to come up with some numbers. I will post the new sheet, as soon as Jerry and I review it some more. Here are the results. We set the plane up level and put some bathroom scales under the wheels. 2 under each of the mains and 1 on the tail. We dropped a plumb for each of the points. We took measurements with the plane empty, one with me in it, and one with Jerry in it. Funny how our stations are not the same. We then took off the engine, cowl, and everything that would move forward if we were to move the engine forward as a result of the calculations. I then spent the rest of the afternoon wrestling with the spread sheet and think that I finally have it. The problem that I see, is that the two measurements, with engine and without, do not agree exactly, but no matter which one I use, believe it or not, we don't have a CG problem at all. In fact, you can have a 120# pilot, full fuel and do not go past forward, you can go to 180# and 200# pound people at the same time, and 1 gal of fuel and do not exceed the conservative aft of 14". There must be something wrong with this. The only way that I can reconcile it in my mind is that we have a 420 pound airplane with an engine and accessory component, with cowl, that is 254 pounds. If you look at the section on Plane Empty No Engine, you will see what I mean, when I post the XLS. I took the calculated engine weight * the station and added it back in and did not get the same total as the plane with the engine. Yes, you added that right, this is a heavy plane at 674 pounds we were hoping for closer to 620. Oh, well, I guess we will either have to do it again, or hope and pray that we are close. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:05:02 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> Tweety Flew To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0b0f01c50cc1$d2843bb0$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Orma wrote: > obsession with aviation. > > Poor lady, she has only seen the tip of your Iceberg. Just look at > Bill, I don't think he has had a weekend at home lately. I already told my wife I'm putting the hangar's address on my driver's license. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:18:47 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Tweety Flew To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" They don't get really upset until you start listing the N number as your spouse! >I already told my wife I'm putting the hangar's address on my driver's >license. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:44:47 -0500 From: Kevin Jarvis Subject: KR> W & B today To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <4206E42F.6090708@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dan, you said: >Oh, well, I guess we will either have to do it again, or hope and pray that we are close. Do it again, don't guess and praying is ok, but not for W&B. Did you try it long hand ? Wt x Arm = Mom. Total Mom / total wt = arm. It has to work out or the math is wrong or the spreadsheet calculations have the wrong cell formulas or something like that. Kevin Naples N741T ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:27:39 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> Sanding wing fairing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I need to sand a wing root fairing foam block with about a 3" radius for most of the length, then go to about a 12" radius aft of the wing (this will be a Hughes Racer looking fairing). The front half before the radius changes will be easy enough to do with a coffee can or something, but I don't know any good way to do the changing radius on the aft side. Anyone have any suggestions or do I just have to eyeball it and maybe use some cardboard templates? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 53 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================