From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 532 Date: 12/29/2005 5:40:49 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Lambda sensor (Jaco Swanepoel) 2. Re: Dan and Jerry KR visit... (John Godwin) 3. RE: Dana Overall (Dana Overall) 4. Re: Lambda sensor (Mark Langford) 5. RE: Dana Overall (Mark Jones) 6. RE: Jeff Scott's KR (Stephen Teate) 7. Re: Dan and Jerry KR visit... (Jerry Mahurin) 8. Re: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... (danrh@alltel.net) 9. adhesive for plexiglass windows. Flue prevention. (Harold Woods) 10. Re: Dana Overall call if you need a hand moving the RV (jeffyork40@qx.net) 11. Re: Timing retard (AVLEC) 12. Re: Newbie (Mark Langford) 13. RE: Newbie (Ronald R.Eason) 14. Re: Newbie -- VW and Corvair (Phil Matheson) 15. tower trip (Mark Langford) 16. Re: Newbie -- VW and Corvair (Mark Langford) 17. VW and Corvair (Larry&Sallie Flesner) 18. tower trip and safety seminars (Colin Rainey) 19. Re: VW and Corvair (Dan Heath) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:00:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jaco Swanepoel Subject: KR> Lambda sensor To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051229140050.45428.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Guys, I purchased and installed a Bosch Universal Lambda sensor. I connected the Signal Wire and the Negative to the EFI unit as per the EFI wiring diagram. The EFI unit only has two wires and the Lambda sensor has four (2 extra for the heater). Can I run power to the heater from the master switch or should I run it directly from the ignition switch? Regards, Jaco Swanepoel South Africa KR2S, ZU-DVP --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:04:34 -0500 From: "John Godwin" Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220051242914434343@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII If any of you guys decide to come to CUB on Saturday instead of Friday, consider flying just a little further to OGB. Matt and I can pick you up and bring you to our New Years eve Pig Picking. If you have never tried true back yard pit cooked Bar B Que you don't know what you are missing. > [Original Message] > From: Mark Langford > To: KRnet > Date: 12/28/2005 11:17:26 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... > > Given tonight's weather report, I'd have to say I'm planning on flying > up to > KCUB on Friday morning. Troy Petteway may also make the trip. Dan > says > anybody else is welcome. See y'all there... > > Mark Langford, Harvest, AL > see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:16:45 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Dana Overall To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Mark Jones" >Holy cow Batman!!!!!! You got that RV in the air yet? > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) OK Mark, I know it is not Friday but since Friday is a holiday for most................Thursday it is. As a few of you know I initiated the "Big D" last year so I got the "oppurtunity" to build the house I always wanted............a log home. The house was built with open space in mind and all heavy timber and T/G. With that said, I seem to have added water and the thing grew. Needless to say it has 4100' of living floor space, along with my workshop which is now 24' x 36' and a 2.5 car garage. We started this house on May 1st and are now living in it. We did the entire house except for the T/G roof, so as you can see, I've been a little busy. During this time we lived in a 31', dual pullout, 5th. wheel RV (see, I still had an RV thing going) in the driveway. Black Magic has sat unattended for the last 7 months. I plan on moving her to the new house in the next two weeks. The panel is entirely wired and is awaiting the hanging of the engine. Yes, the LCD screen is installed so you can sit and watch a movie in the airplane. I have been told by Elaine, I cannot start anymore projects untill after the airplane gets finished. I vote the same. As you can see, it has been a very busy year, but enjoyable. I now have somebody who loves to fly, work on the house and wants me focused on the airplane, life's pretty darn good!! I feel the need, the need................for a good ol fashion weekend flyin sometime this spring. I've got room or you can choose to campout in the workshop or down by the waterfall.........yes, we have a natural 15' waterfall just down over the hilll. Not quite a YEE HAA but pretty darn close. I'm now like Dan, there's a time for building and a time for flying. Got one building job out of the way, so that tells the story. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:23:44 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Lambda sensor To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <154901c60c83$7a25bb20$d004a58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jaco Swanepoel wrote: >> I purchased and installed a Bosch Universal Lambda sensor. I >> connected >> the Signal Wire and the Negative to the EFI unit as per the EFI wiring >> diagram. The EFI unit only has two wires and the Lambda sensor has four >> (2 extra for the heater). Can I run power to the heater from the master >> switch or should I run it directly from the ignition switch?<< I'm not sure what an EFI is, but I'm not sure you need a heater on your O2 sensor. I'd just buy the cheapo $30 "two wire" version that has no heater. The one you bought will probably work fine, but costs more. It's designed to be mounted further downstream so requires a heater for quicker warmup. I don't know how much current the heater draws, but I wouldn't want it running through my igntion switch, as you'd want that switch to be under utilized, not taxed to the limit. I'd leave the heater disconnected, myself. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ----- ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:53:01 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Dana Overall To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F35C10468@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow, I know where I am heading when I get in the dog house!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://www.flykr2s.com Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dana Overall Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:17 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR> Dana Overall >From: "Mark Jones" >Holy cow Batman!!!!!! You got that RV in the air yet? > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) OK Mark, I know it is not Friday but since Friday is a holiday for most................Thursday it is. As a few of you know I initiated the "Big D" last year so I got the "oppurtunity" to build the house I always wanted............a log home. The house was built with open space in mind and all heavy timber and T/G. With that said, I seem to have added water and the thing grew. Needless to say it has 4100' of living floor space, along with my workshop which is now 24' x 36' and a 2.5 car garage. We started this house on May 1st and are now living in it. We did the entire house except for the T/G roof, so as you can see, I've been a little busy. During this time we lived in a 31', dual pullout, 5th. wheel RV (see, I still had an RV thing going) in the driveway. Black Magic has sat unattended for the last 7 months. I plan on moving her to the new house in the next two weeks. The panel is entirely wired and is awaiting the hanging of the engine. Yes, the LCD screen is installed so you can sit and watch a movie in the airplane. I have been told by Elaine, I cannot start anymore projects untill after the airplane gets finished. I vote the same. As you can see, it has been a very busy year, but enjoyable. I now have somebody who loves to fly, work on the house and wants me focused on the airplane, life's pretty darn good!! I feel the need, the need................for a good ol fashion weekend flyin sometime this spring. I've got room or you can choose to campout in the workshop or down by the waterfall.........yes, we have a natural 15' waterfall just down over the hilll. Not quite a YEE HAA but pretty darn close. I'm now like Dan, there's a time for building and a time for flying. Got one building job out of the way, so that tells the story. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:14:27 -0600 From: "Stephen Teate" Subject: RE: KR> Jeff Scott's KR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <98DAC793BA09104DA961CAFAA33C795806697D@ccs-svr1.CCS.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I read the same thing last night. You've got a nice web site and beautiful KR. Congratulations Jeff. Stephen Teate steate@compositecooling.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+steate=compositecooling.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+steate=compositecooling.com@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:37 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Jeff Scott's KR I was just reading last months EAA magazine and saw that Jeff Scott's KR won the best wood category at Copperstate. I had not seen it mentioned here before. Congratulations. It is nice to see KRs winning awards at the major fly-ins regularly. My bet is the trend is going to continue. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:51:35 -0500 From: Jerry Mahurin Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... To: KRnet Message-ID: <3812d7480512290751p17632cf8iafaee88513d420b3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am in a real time crunch at work right now with year end and all............. But I will see you guys at lunch............... Later, On 12/28/05, Mark Langford wrote: > > Given tonight's weather report, I'd have to say I'm planning on flying > up to KCUB on Friday morning. Troy Petteway may also make the trip. > Dan says anybody else is welcome. See y'all there... > > Mark Langford, Harvest, AL > see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry EAA# 0034283 Lugoff, SC 29078 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:37:16 -0600 From: Subject: Re: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051229163716.RTOH3660.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@[166.102.165.30]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK, very good. I will call you at 422-3606 when we leave the airport. Do you know where it is? Right now, it is Mark for sure and maybe Troy. From: Jerry Mahurin Date: 2005/12/29 Thu AM 09:51:35 CST To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... I am in a real time crunch at work right now with year end and all............. But I will see you guys at lunch............... Later, On 12/28/05, Mark Langford wrote: > > Given tonight's weather report, I'd have to say I'm planning on flying > up to KCUB on Friday morning. Troy Petteway may also make the trip. > Dan says anybody else is welcome. See y'all there... > > Mark Langford, Harvest, AL > see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry EAA# 0034283 Lugoff, SC 29078 _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:09:53 -0500 From: "Harold Woods" Subject: KR> adhesive for plexiglass windows. Flue prevention. To: Message-ID: <00a601c60c9a$b0259df0$6500a8c0@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hi Netters, Consider what the Automotive industry does. To glue the front windshield to the body of the car they use a black urethane adhesive. It is horribly sticky,hardens to a rubbery very strong bond such that the strength of the windshield/car frame is calculated as part of the roll over strength of the vehicle. It is expensive. I got some at an autoglass repair shop and paid around $20. CAD for a tube. Once you glue the plexi in place and let it cure for a day, it will be there for ever. So some of our members are now coming down with the "flue". Do not rely on a flue shot to prevent it. A simple herbal dose of "Olive Leaf Extract" (see your local health food store for it) is the best cold & flue insurance available. It is wide spectrum antiviral,antibacterial herbal extract and works well at low doses. Use 500 mg in the morning and again at bedtime. It is effective even for latent viruses and cold viruses. It safely penetrates your cells looking for viruses. It stops them by uniting with them and preventing them from replicating. This means that they cannot grow in your body. If you take it longer than 30 days straight you will have to add a friendly bacterial culture to your diet because the olive leaf extract will start destroying the friendly bacteria in your intestines, whose job it is, to assist digestion. I keep 4 bottles in the refrigerator in case the Asian Bird flue ever strikes. Believe me it works and it is safe. I wish you all a very Happy New Year, Health and may the wind under your wings be smooth. Regards, Harold Woods, Orillia, ON. Canada haroldwoods@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:50:23 -0500 From: Subject: Re: KR> Dana Overall call if you need a hand moving the RV To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c60ca0$6a54f090$6564a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dana, Give me a shout if you need a hand moving the RV. I still have a trailer that should easily accommodate the RV. I just don't have the SUV to pull the trailer anymore. The trailer is pretty dang big so I would not try to pull it with my Mini van. But it's not that big. It is modified to move an airplane and fellow KR builder Mike Warner has been storing it at his business at the old drag racing park out by Nicholasville. You have helped me in the past and I would be glad to return the favor. Jeff York KR-2 Flying N839BG Home page http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 Email jeffyork40@qx.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: RE: KR> Dana Overall > >From: "Mark Jones" > >Holy cow Batman!!!!!! You got that RV in the air yet? > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > OK Mark, I know it is not Friday but since Friday is a holiday for > most................Thursday it is. As a few of you know I initiated > the "Big D" last year so I got the "oppurtunity" to build the house I > always wanted............a log home. The house was built with open > space in mind and all heavy timber and T/G. With that said, I seem to > have added water and the thing grew. Needless to say it has 4100' of > living floor space, along with my workshop which is now 24' x 36' and > a 2.5 car garage. We started this house on May 1st and are now living > in it. We did the entire house except for the T/G roof, so as you can > see, I've been a little busy. During this time we lived in a 31', dual > pullout, 5th. wheel RV (see, I still had an RV thing going) in the > driveway. > > Black Magic has sat unattended for the last 7 months. I plan on > moving her > to the new house in the next two weeks. The panel is entirely wired > and is > awaiting the hanging of the engine. Yes, the LCD screen is installed > so you > can sit and watch a movie in the airplane. I have been told by > Elaine, I cannot start anymore projects untill after the airplane gets > finished. I vote the same. > > As you can see, it has been a very busy year, but enjoyable. I now > have somebody who loves to fly, work on the house and wants me focused > on the airplane, life's pretty darn good!! I feel the need, the > need................for a good ol fashion weekend flyin sometime this > spring. I've got room or you can choose to campout in the workshop or down > by the waterfall.........yes, we have a natural 15' waterfall just > down over > the hilll. Not quite a YEE HAA but pretty darn close. > > I'm now like Dan, there's a time for building and a time for flying. > Got one building job out of the way, so that tells the story. > > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" http://rvflying.tripod.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:23:44 +0200 From: "AVLEC" Subject: Re: KR> Timing retard To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c60ca5$196f4ea0$b2a6fea9@dene> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good info Colin, I will definately keep that post for future refrence. I had no idea that you could not just leave off one plug lead and use just the other(never tried it and probably never will). Is it possible to use the same system to fire single output coils on say a five cylinder engine. Each cylinder would act independantly with its own ignition system. The five pickups would also have to be spaced at 72deg apart. I would imagine that this applies to any engine with any number of cylinders.( There's a thought. Six independant ignitions on a six cylinder corvair motor). These new generation auto coils are really small so the weight penalty would be minimal. You seem to know lots about this so what do you think, would it work? Serge, have you ever timed the motor with a timing light to see what the idle timing is and how much advance you get out of it at what RPM. At what RPM does it reach max advance? Regards Dene Collett KR2SRT builder South africa Whisper assembler See: www.whisperaircraft.com mailto: avlec@telkomsa.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Rainey" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 17:29 Subject: KR> Timing retard > Serge and Dan > You are correct Serge, the retard I am referring to is the retard > AFTER the engine is running, especially at rpm. Virtually all systems start at some "base" setting, and if this is too high, hard start. If it is just base timing low, then easy starting. When cranking a computer controlled engine with the scanner hooked up, you can watch the computer actually retard the timing to 20 degrees ATDC to allow for second rotation start. As soon as the engine gets over 400-600 rpm, depending on design the computer will advance to around 28 to 34 degrees usually, just like the Great Plains, and will hold back the timing from there until closed loop or hot running mode, at which time it will utilize full spark advance programming from there. Why mention all this? What does this have to do with a KR or Corvair? > > Well, for every process that we now know to be electronic, it once was performed mechanically. Therefore, everything that I have mentioned that the computer does now, was handled by a mechanical device in the Corvair engines of the past. What my particular installation is attempting to do is to update with modern parts, the mechanical processes that Chevrolet developed for the engine, that were so successful, so that my airplane engine will run as well as the car engine did, just spinning a prop. The distributor was equipped with mechanical spark advance through the use of weights attached to the breaker plate under the points. These centrifugal weights would sling out causing the plate to "advance" the timing, usually between 12 and 14 degrees, depending on the strength of the springs and the actual weights. This advance is rpm dependent, and will occur every time at a given rpm. Base timing was usually set somewhere between 4 and 8 degrees which gives a total MECHANICAL advance of 16 on the low side to 22 degrees on the high side. Vacuum advance was used to advance the engine the final 10 to 14 degrees for best performance. This advance only occurs when the rpms are more constant, deceleration, and at idle. Just like the mechanical advance, it is not present when cranking, so the engine only cranks on base timing. When accelerating vacuum advance is lost, and the timing retards to mechanical advance only to prevent detonation, since the combustion chamber temperature will spike due to the sudden introduction of all that air. You will notice that fixed timing systems try to compromise between best performance, and detonation protection with settings around 26 to 28 degrees max. > > Problem: aviation carbs have no hookups for vacuum signals on their > carbs. This is the reason I am using a down draft Rochester Monojet carb. It has both ported (vacuum on acceleration only) and manifold vacuum (vacuum at constant rpm). If you do not use vacuum advance , then you will have to recurve your distributor like WW does, and watch your temps closely. You will not be able to allow your engine to get as hot as the car did due to the effect on pre-ignition and detonation that this has, and you will almost assuredly have to use 100LL. Premium fuel will not give enough detonation protection. Remember, these engines were designed when 100 octane fuel (with lead) was common at the pump, and were designed for its use. When the lead went away, timing had to better controlled, some cars even equipped with spark retard modules, and compression ratios dropped until advancements were made it overall computer/engine control. > > Oh that "relay" is probably a simple transistor module triggering the coil, which is what most electronic ignitions use. The other parts of the ignition module handle ignition impulse modification if needed for computer use, and advance if desired by the designer. Since it is set up as an on/off system, it is perfectly compatible with the computer, where the trigger from say a point set tends to linger to a computer which makes it more like an AC wave, instead of the needed digital wave (square wave), but that is all another story... > > Back to sanding my cowling.... > > > Colin Rainey > brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:06:31 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Newbie To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <15ba01c60cbb$be6efc00$d004a58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The other day, I wrote some stuff about engines, and said: >I think most VW guys wish > they had a Corvair, because it doesn't weigh that much more, but has a >lot more power than a VW. Below is a message from Steve Bennett that I'm forwarding for him. From: STEVE bennett To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: RE: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 530 I think I need to inject 2 cents worth for those KR folks flying VW's here. A corvair does weigh more than a 2180cc VW. If one looks at the diameter and pitch that the 100 HP Corvairs are running on KR, it is not significantly more than a 2180cc VW. In my KR 1.5 I run a 54 x 52 and will turn up to 3550 WOT in the air. After more than 2000 hours of flight time sitting behind a VW engine in a KR, I am more than satisfied with the VW and the performance. I am glad to be flying a VW engine. Another biased opinion. Steve Bennett Great Plains Aircraft ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:18:08 -0600 From: "Ronald R.Eason" Subject: RE: KR> Newbie To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000301c60cbd$5dc8c9b0$6501a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I will second that because the after market resources for the VW continues to evolve making the engine a better engineered and completely different engine. My engineers' opinion, without actual flight time. Ronald R. Eason Sr. [KRron] President / CEO Ph: 816-468-4091 Fax: 816-468-5465 http://www.jrl-engineering.com Our Attitude Makes The Difference! -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+ron=jrl-engineering.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+ron=jrl-engineering.com@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:07 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Newbie The other day, I wrote some stuff about engines, and said: >I think most VW guys wish > they had a Corvair, because it doesn't weigh that much more, but has a >lot more power than a VW. Below is a message from Steve Bennett that I'm forwarding for him. From: STEVE bennett To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: RE: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 530 I think I need to inject 2 cents worth for those KR folks flying VW's here. A corvair does weigh more than a 2180cc VW. If one looks at the diameter and pitch that the 100 HP Corvairs are running on KR, it is not significantly more than a 2180cc VW. In my KR 1.5 I run a 54 x 52 and will turn up to 3550 WOT in the air. After more than 2000 hours of flight time sitting behind a VW engine in a KR, I am more than satisfied with the VW and the performance. I am glad to be flying a VW engine. Another biased opinion. Steve Bennett Great Plains Aircraft _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:47:43 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR>Newbie -- VW and Corvair To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002c01c60cc9$e209f120$e6a8443d@pii433> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well said Steve Bennett. I was planing a full reply to Marks comments, as I was very disappointed.But I did not wish to start WWIII "I think most VW guys wish they had a Corvair, because it doesn't weigh that much more, but has a lot more power than a VW." I think that the Corvair being 6 cylinders should have more power than the VW, but I still think that because they can only run a small prop for the size of the engine,and need high RPM compared to a geared VW engine,(eg RG2000 or Great Plains VW) they do not use their complete potential. If I had made a comment that most Corvair owners would soon a geared RG2000, I would have been placed in front of a Langford, Jones and KRnet Firing squad. Such is life my 2 cents worth Phillip Matheson VHPKR Australia. mathesonp@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:53:55 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> tower trip To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002001c60cdb$830f0a90$0202a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original NetHeads, Today I needed to run by the airport and buy a Charlotte sectional to fly to Dan's in the morning. HSV is closer than any other, so I planned on dropping by on the way home from work. It was a really crappy day, so I thought maybe the folks in the tower would let me visit, since the workload couldn't be very high. I called and the guy said he was pretty busy but "come on out right now", so I did. We spent 15 minutes just looking at all the stuff on the scope, explaining every detail. I got a very good explanation for how the whole controller thing works, how you get handed off, picked up, the various airspace sectors, and all kind of good stuff. The last guy I met was the controller that I talked to in June during my emergency landing. He remembered every detail, and we had a good time talking the whole thing over. The point of this is that if you get the chance, take that tour. You can find your local towered airport at http://www.faa.gov/arp/ and pick your region, find your "local" airport on the list, and give them a call. He said it was a 15 minute tour, but I ended up standing around talking to all the controllers, and after an hour figured I'd held them up long enough and bowed out. They seemed to enjoy the conversation, and I came away with a much better understanding of what the guys on the other end of the radio are doing... Mark Langford, Harvest, AL see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:02:00 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR>Newbie -- VW and Corvair To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002501c60cdc$a42da0f0$0202a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Phil Matheson wrote: > I was planing a full reply to Marks comments, as I was very > disappointed. I'm sorry I disappointed you. My comments were based on the posts of several folks on the list who are either building or flying behind VWs that have said they'd rather have a Corvair in their plane, if they could start over. There are several folks who were flying behind VWs that recently switched to the Corvair. Here's a short list: Bob Lester, Steve Makish, Steve Jones, and Bill Clapp used to fly a VW in his earlier KR2. Why didn't Bill build his new S with a VW engine? Steve Glover was in the process of converting from VW to Corvair when he sold his airplane. There are several folks who've bought VW powered projects that are now converting them to Corvair power (like Colin Rainey). I don't know of a single soul who's flown behind a Corvair that wants to go back to a VW. I even know one guy with an 0-200 in his plane that's planning on installing a Corvair. But I'll try to keep my biased comments to myself in the future... Mark Langford, Harvest, AL see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:09:07 -0600 From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Subject: KR> VW and Corvair To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051229182249.0385f008@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >"I think most VW guys wish >they had a Corvair, because it doesn't weigh that much more, but has a >lot more power than a VW." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm convinced that the size / type of our engines is proportional to the size of our bank account. Any of us offered more power for the same money and weight would jump on it in an instant. We try to get the most bang for our buck and the VW offers that. How many of us would say "no thanks" if offered a swap for a 120hp Jabaru. So much for brand loyalty. It appears that the Corvair is a good choice for more power for what appears a modest , if any, increase in cost. Hell, I wish I had an 0-300 !! As it stands, I got lucky and have less in my 0-200 than most have in a small bore VW. I suspect that Mark just uttered something we all think if we'll admit it. More power ='s more speed, and even more power ='s even more speed !! I would advise not to take Mark's comment personal or consider it to be a put-down. I know he didn't mean it that way. Wasn't the VW Mark's first choice for an engine? And Phil, as to the geared RG2000, I suspect there are many builders on the net that would snatch that up in an instant also. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:14:14 -0500 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> tower trip and safety seminars To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-220051253011414540@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mark is right. You can also get with controllers when they participate in local Safety Seminars. Call your local FSDO or go online and find out who the local ASC's ( Aviation Safety Counselors ) are in your area, and they will have information about Safety Seminars being offered. They are free, count towards the Wings Program ( which allows you to skip having to arrange for a Flight Review ), and most are very informative. We have several in our FSDO that travel to different airports going over VFR and IFR procedures, communications, etc... Also ATC usually has a member of their group responsible for these Seminars beause it makes them points with the FAA, and I believe a certain number are required each year... Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:39:57 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> VW and Corvair To: Message-ID: <43B48FED.000011.03464@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think you can put the Jab 3300 on your KR for about the same weight, less space, both, in your plane and pocket book. Isn't it around $16000 that will get you there? More than most of us have in the entire plane including engine and instruments. Any engine that get's and keeps me in the air, is a good engine. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Date: 12/29/05 20:13:12 To: KRnet Subject: KR> VW and Corvair > >"I think most VW guys wish >they had a Corvair, because it doesn't weigh that much more, but has a >lot more power than a VW." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm convinced that the size / type of our engines is proportional to the size of our bank account. Any of us offered more power for the same money and weight would jump on it in an instant. We try to get the most bang for our buck and the VW offers that. How many of us would say "no thanks" if offered a swap for a 120hp Jabaru. So much for brand loyalty. It appears that the Corvair is a good choice for more power for what appears a modest , if any, increase in cost. Hell, I wish I had an 0-300 !! As it stands, I got lucky and have less in my 0-200 than most have in a small bore VW. I suspect that Mark just uttered something we all think if we'll admit it. More power ='s more speed, and even more power ='s even more speed !! I would advise not to take Mark's comment personal or consider it to be a put-down. I know he didn't mean it that way. Wasn't the VW Mark's first choice for an engine? And Phil, as to the geared RG2000, I suspect there are many builders on the net that would snatch that up in an instant also. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 532 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================