From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 534 Date: 12/30/2005 9:00:12 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: tower trip (Jim Morehead) 2. RE: adhesive for plexiglass windows. Flue prevention. (Doug Rupert) 3. RE: tower trip (Doug Rupert) 4. RE: tower trip (Steve Bray) 5. Re: CG location on a KR2 (Dan Heath) 6. Re: tower trip (Robert L. Stone) 7. Re: tower trip (Scott William) 8. Re: VW and Corvair (Scott William) 9. Re: VW and Corvair (JAMES C FERRIS) 10. VW & Corvair (Colin Rainey) 11. 2100 Revmaster (Kenneth Wiltrout) 12. Engine Choice (JIM VANCE) 13. RE: VW and Corvair (Brian Kraut) 14. fRIDAY (Pat Driscoll) 15. Fuel Consumption and Mark's Visit (Dan Heath) 16. RE: fRIDAY (Joachim Saupe) 17. My KR2S Project still for sale Motor Sold! (JSMONDAY@aol.com) 18. RE: fRIDAY (Ron Freiberger) 19. FW: [M1-Mustang] Last hours of Brock Manufacturing (Brian Kraut) 20. Re: FW: [M1-Mustang] Last hours of Brock Manufacturing (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 21. Re: CG location on a KR2 (BEARLKBOB@aol.com) 22. Re: Fuel Consumption and Mark's Visit (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:07:51 -0800 From: Jim Morehead Subject: Re: KR> tower trip To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Netters, In the late Œ80¹s when I was teaching, I would take three students at a time for a ride in a C 172, each one had a chance to fly right seat then we would do a tower tour. Then I would go back to the school and pick up three more students. They liked it and I loved it. The school board shut me down, something about liability insurance, even though I had written permission from their parents. Anytime you get a chance to visit a tower you should do it. Happy New Year to all, Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:53:21 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> adhesive for plexiglass windows. Flue prevention. To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001301c60d05$5c764450$9504e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Harold I'll have to contact you next time I pass that way to check on my mother just north of you. Would really like to pick your brain and get some shots of your KR. Doug Rupert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 12/29/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:53:21 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> tower trip To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001401c60d05$5d53fa20$9504e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Steve: I personally delivered a bottle of Scotch to the GCA Controller that got me and my load of wounded safely on the runway centerline in zero-zero conditions in Vietnam one night. Scariest damn approach of my life and have had complete confidence in military controllers ever since. Civilian controllers run a close second as they suffer greatly from overwork and long schedules. Rapid burn out rate at higher traffic airports and centers. Doug Rupert Mark I was a controller in the USAF from 1972-76 and you would not believe how much we enjoyed/appericated a pilot that actually cared ! We would make time for them. I worked in an approach/radar facility. no windows. and we didn't get many visitors, unless they were pissed. Not much glamor there but we were the ones who brought you home when your windsheld was the end of your world as far as you could tell. Meeting them eye to eye and letting them know your intrested will make a diffrence. They will remember you. Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 12/29/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:15:13 -0600 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: RE: KR> tower trip To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hay Doug To this day that guy remembers you too. The GCA guy was just doing his job that he was well trained to do and was probably the lowest ranking one in there. We had it a little better than the FAA guys because we delt with pilots that knew what they were doing. Dealing with silly-villians is a whole nother thing. It was the only job I've ever had that I enjoyed doing and looked foward to going to work. The day I left Kedina AFB we were so covered up the crew chief shached my chair back and the relief stepped in, he had been watching for thirty min. trying to get the picture. Didn't even get to say bye to my crew, I loved it. Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Doug Rupert" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "'KRnet'" >Subject: RE: KR> tower trip >Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:53:21 -0500 > >Steve: I personally delivered a bottle of Scotch to the GCA Controller >that got me and my load of wounded safely on the runway centerline in >zero-zero conditions in Vietnam one night. Scariest damn approach of my >life and have had complete confidence in military controllers ever >since. Civilian controllers run a close second as they suffer greatly >from overwork and long schedules. Rapid burn out rate at higher traffic >airports and centers. Doug Rupert > >Mark >I was a controller in the USAF from 1972-76 and you would not believe >how much we enjoyed/appericated a pilot that actually cared ! We would >make time > >for them. >I worked in an approach/radar facility. no windows. and we didn't get >many visitors, unless they were pissed. >Not much glamor there but we were the ones who brought you home when your >windsheld was the end of your world as far as you could tell. >Meeting them eye to eye and letting them know your intrested will make a >diffrence. >They will remember you. > >Steve Bray >Jackson, Tennessee > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: >12/29/2005 > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:38:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> CG location on a KR2 To: Message-ID: <43B51C2D.00000B.03948@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am not sure that I understand your question. Given this: Datum is Firewall = 0 inches Leading Edge of wing = 12.3125 inches Forward C.G. = 20.125 inchesNote: Specifications state 8-16" aft of the inboard wing leading edge Rear C.G. 26.125 inchesFor N64KR, the CG range is 8" to 14" aft of the inboard wing leading edge. Our empty CG ( includes oil, can't fly without it ) is 18.32 inches. Add full fuel ( 12.5 gal header tank ) and it is 17.26 inches. Add a 180 pound pilot, and it is 21.49 inches, a little less than a inch inside the forward limit. If that does not answer your question, then you can click on the link below and pick Weight and Balance from the menu. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- What are your CG locations on your personal KR2's , forward of aft ? ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:09:08 -0600 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> tower trip To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c60d39$d6c528a0$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jim, I'm thinking the EAA people who started the Young Eagles might have got the idea for this wonderful program from you. Watching a young boy or girl catch their first fish is fun, watching the same two kids who have never been up in an airplane before when you lift off is even more fun. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.copm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Morehead" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: Re: KR> tower trip Netters, In the late O80¹s when I was teaching, I would take three students at a time for a ride in a C 172, each one had a chance to fly right seat then we would do a tower tour. Then I would go back to the school and pick up three more students. They liked it and I loved it. The school board shut me down, something about liability insurance, even though I had written permission from their parents. Anytime you get a chance to visit a tower you should do it. Happy New Year to all, Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:37:33 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> tower trip To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051230123733.42367.qmail@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've taken a tower tour at Tampa International more than once. They ask if you are a pilot, and if so, give you "the special". The trip through the basement apporach control area, then up into the tower, took about two hours. Every detail is explained, and much to my surprise, several controllers are EAA memebers and pilots. It is an eye-opener and should be a definate "must" on your list of flying things to do. The tour helps to explain things in your mind when you are given directions that just don't make sense, and also helps you understand that, like yourself, they are human and make errors, and realize they do. 99% of them strive to give great service. When I was there, one controller made the remark, "I don't like Cessna pilots." Another controler turned to him and said, "That's because you don't like anybody, so shut up!" That one guy is the 1%. A bad apple caught in a government bureacracy that will one day get his due.....or I can only hope. Point is: I don't let this guy ruin my vision of the other 99%, but if I encounter him, I shall go to his supervisor. Great people. I then went to the Tampa FSO to see what was going on there. What do I see? A guy who was a member of the same ABATE chapter I was ( A Brotherhood Aiming Toward Education, a motorcycle rights group) sitting in an office....he was the local director of the FSO. I talked to the guy a million times and never knew it. It's nice to know you have friends in high places. All in all, a great bunch of people. Do like Mark says...take the tour. You will forever be happy about it. Scott __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:43:24 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> VW and Corvair To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051230124324.71827.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I'm convinced that the size / type of our engines is proportional to > the size of our bank account. I'm kinda convinced that the engine choice is just another reflection on our diversity as builders....the same reason Baskin Robbins has 32 flavors. Scott __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:10:28 -0500 From: JAMES C FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> VW and Corvair To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051230.081028.796.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Right on, and the same reason no two KR's are alike. Jim ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:28:59 -0500 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> VW & Corvair To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-2200512530132859102@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Larry is right. More power means better climb, higher cruise in most cases and more power in reserve if needed. Mark's comments to me were not meant to say that the VW is bad, just on the lower end of the available power spectrum, for engines that match the KR. There is an old saying that fits perfectly here: "There is no replacement for displacement". Given the same setup, the engine with more CID will out perform the smaller engine. The RG2000 may be a good engine, I don't own one so I don't know. But it will have to be run at a higher rpm to make the same torque as the Corvair, even through its gear drive, so it will surely effect engine life to some degree. Still it will be hard to knock the 3.5 gallons an hour I was burning with my first VW engine! The RV camps are going through a similar 4 to 6 cylinder transition, as many RV builders are finding the O-540 more affordable and economical to operate than the O-360. Kind of the same thing here, VW to Corvair.... Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:45:39 -0600 From: "Kenneth Wiltrout" Subject: KR> 2100 Revmaster To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004501c60d4f$b5f7a100$2f01a8c0@gatewayzk8r233> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Just wondering if you guys with the 2100 are cruising at more than the recommended 3200 rpm's??? I hear lots of talk on the net about running at wide open throttle.My cruise of 140 is based on 3200 rpm's.-------------------Just curious. Kenny----------6399U ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:26:08 -0600 From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: KR> Engine Choice To: "krnet" Message-ID: <001d01c60d4c$f9c439a0$6a88f53f@Vance> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sam Bailey in Pratt, Kansas, was running an 1835 cc VW in his KR-2 for many years. He had gone into Salida, Colorado, with a density altitude in excess of 9,000 feet several times. He decided that he wanted more power, and replaced the VW with an O-200. By the time he added more fuel--since he doubled the fuel consumption--his total increase was 300 fpm in climb, and 10 knots in cruise. Like all things about airplanes, there are tradeoffs on engine selection. The Corvair is an excellent engine with great horsepower-to-weight ratio and moderate fuel consumption. However, if you are trying to build light and simple, the VW is a good choice for a low-cost KR. My opinion is worth what you have paid for it, and it's free! Jim Vance N303JV waiting for the final inspection. Vance@hbcomm.net ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:06:03 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> VW and Corvair To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A little off on a tangent here, but even though the O-200 in my Stang has been pretty reliable I have no plans on putting it back on the plane if I still own it when it is time to overhaul. I will build a Vair for it and sell the O-200 core for probably the same amount of money I will have in the Corvair. Compared to spending many thousands of dollars on overhauling the O-200 it is a no brainer for me. So far I have just had to replace the starter and starter clutch on the O-200, but it cost me over $700. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Larry&Sallie Flesner Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:09 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> VW and Corvair > >"I think most VW guys wish >they had a Corvair, because it doesn't weigh that much more, but has a >lot more power than a VW." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm convinced that the size / type of our engines is proportional to the size of our bank account. Any of us offered more power for the same money and weight would jump on it in an instant. We try to get the most bang for our buck and the VW offers that. How many of us would say "no thanks" if offered a swap for a 120hp Jabaru. So much for brand loyalty. It appears that the Corvair is a good choice for more power for what appears a modest , if any, increase in cost. Hell, I wish I had an 0-300 !! As it stands, I got lucky and have less in my 0-200 than most have in a small bore VW. I suspect that Mark just uttered something we all think if we'll admit it. More power ='s more speed, and even more power ='s even more speed !! I would advise not to take Mark's comment personal or consider it to be a put-down. I know he didn't mean it that way. Wasn't the VW Mark's first choice for an engine? And Phil, as to the geared RG2000, I suspect there are many builders on the net that would snatch that up in an instant also. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:16:12 -0600 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: KR> fRIDAY To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003a01c60d8e$a4f69b60$0500a8c0@PREFERREE6A566> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK it's friday so I can put this out but I'll let you choose to go or not. With all the bickering I see on the list it might do some good to check this out. http://llerrah.com/doitanyway.htm Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net LIFE MAY NOT BE THE PARTY WE HOPED FOR.... BUT WHILE WE ARE HERE WE MIGHT AS WELL DANCE!" --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:39:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Fuel Consumption and Mark's Visit To: Message-ID: <43B5D34E.000009.01588@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You may not get 3.5, but I saw Mark use his Air/Fuel Mixture meter today, to cut the consumption from 8 GPH, to 6.9, and that was just on a short flight with very little tweeking. That meter is worth it's weight in gasoline. Thanks Mark, for taking the time and making the effor to visit. It was great and I do love the sound and power of the Vair. The flight in your plane was awesome. Mark may try to tell you guys that his is not a real KR, but, trust me, it flys just like a KR only very solid and steady. Landings and takeoff are just like I remember, only the flaps sure made the landing much shorter. If Mark trys to play down his ability to fly that thing, don't believe him. You will see a pic of him, already tail down and very little of the runway used. Never heard a squeek, this guy is good. Pics at 11. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- Still it will be hard to knock the 3.5 gallons an hour I was burning with my first VW engine! ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:41:03 -0600 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> fRIDAY To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22005126311413828@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Thank you, Pat. Joachim > [Original Message] > From: Pat Driscoll > To: KRnet > Date: 12/30/2005 4:16:29 PM > Subject: KR> fRIDAY > > OK it's friday so I can put this out but I'll let you choose to go or not. > With all the bickering I see on the list it might do some good to check this out. > http://llerrah.com/doitanyway.htm > Pat Driscoll > Saint Paul, MN > patrick36@usfamily.net > LIFE MAY NOT BE THE PARTY WE HOPED FOR.... > BUT WHILE WE ARE HERE WE MIGHT AS WELL DANCE!" > > > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:00:09 EST From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Subject: KR> My KR2S Project still for sale Motor Sold! To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1db.4a2e702f.30e74029@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" My Custom KR2S firewall rearward boat and parts are still for sale for $3,500.00 you can see them at either of these two locations! I have had lots of interest and the Barnstormers ad has been really successful. PROJECT IS LOCATED IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA _http://www.bouyea.net/classifieds/j_monday/boat.htm_ (http://www.bouyea.net/classifieds/j_monday/boat.htm) or _www.barnstormers.com_ (http://www.barnstormers.com) sorry, barnstormers website is down at the moment. My Corvair 3100 big boy motor and all the parts have been sold to Dene Collett in South Africa, and I am sure he will really enjoy it! Thanks, John Monday 949-200-7038 ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:46:29 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> fRIDAY To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001c01c60db4$69dec7c0$b051de0c@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" AW! That's sweet. To bad I'm to impatient to listen to it all.... Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net On Behalf Of Pat Driscoll Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:16 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> fRIDAY OK it's friday so I can put this out but I'll let you choose to go or not. With all the bickering I see on the list it might do some good to check this out. http://llerrah.com/doitanyway.htm Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net LIFE MAY NOT BE THE PARTY WE HOPED FOR.... BUT WHILE WE ARE HERE WE MIGHT AS WELL DANCE!" ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:03:35 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> FW: [M1-Mustang] Last hours of Brock Manufacturing To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thought this might be of interest to some. As far as I know Ken Brock was still making the wing attach fittings for Rand and probably some other metal parts also. If you need wing attach fittings or any other metal parts you might want to order them while Jeanette still has them. They manufactured parts for several other aircraft also. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: M1-Mustang@yahoogroups.com [mailto:M1-Mustang@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tim C Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:31 PM To: BHawk Cc: M1-Mustang Subject: [M1-Mustang] Last hours of Brock Manufacturing I edited this somewhat, as I feel Ron Landon makes a good point> As I am sure most of you know, Ken Brock Manufacturing is closing their doors forever in January. I was in Brock's back room yesterday scrounging a few parts I and was told that they need to vacate the building in 10 days. The shop was looking rather ghostly. It was also my understanding at Brock, again yesterday morning, that Aircraft Spruce has been trying to buy all remaining hardware and that as of yet, no deal has been made. It was a sad, empty feeling, talking with the guys in the shop. They are out of a job and for now we are out of a supplier. I forget the name of the guy I dealt with, some of you know him, very tall, thin, Bob I think. Nice guy. I think he said he has been there for over 30 years. Now he doesn't know where he will be working after next week. I for one gave him a hearty thanks for all that he and his co-workers have done for us over the years. Anyway, I for one encourage everyone to give them a personal call next week at 714.898.4366 to express your gratitude for all the hardware and support they have provided the Homebuilt community over the years, perfect or not, where few others have. A few calls from our Homebuilt community next week could make them feel really appreciated for their timeless contributions. Give em a call. 714.898.4366. 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Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: KR> FW: [M1-Mustang] Last hours of Brock Manufacturing > Thought this might be of interest to some. As far as I know Ken Brock > was still making the wing attach fittings for Rand and probably some > other metal parts also. If you need wing attach fittings or any other > metal parts you might want to order them while Jeanette still has > them. > > They manufactured parts for several other aircraft also. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: M1-Mustang@yahoogroups.com [mailto:M1-Mustang@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Tim C > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:31 PM > To: BHawk > Cc: M1-Mustang > Subject: [M1-Mustang] Last hours of Brock Manufacturing > > > I edited this somewhat, as I feel Ron Landon makes a good point> > > As I am sure most of you know, Ken Brock Manufacturing is > closing their doors forever in January. I was in Brock's back room > yesterday scrounging a few parts I and was told that they need to > vacate the building in 10 days. The shop was looking rather ghostly. > It was also my understanding at Brock, again yesterday morning, that > Aircraft Spruce has been trying to buy all remaining hardware and that > as of yet, no deal has been made. > > It was a sad, empty feeling, talking with the guys in the > shop. They are out of a job and for now we are out of a supplier. I > forget the name of the guy I dealt with, some of you know him, very > tall, thin, Bob I think. Nice guy. I think he said he has been there > for over 30 years. Now he doesn't know where he will be working after > next week. I for one gave him > a hearty thanks for all that he and his co-workers have done for us over > the years. > > Anyway, I for one encourage everyone to give them a personal > call next week at 714.898.4366 to express your gratitude for all the > hardware and support they have provided the Homebuilt community over > the years, perfect or not, where few others have. A few calls from our > Homebuilt community next week could make them feel really appreciated > for their timeless contributions. Give em a call. 714.898.4366. > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Aviation Recreation Sports > Aviation school Outdoor recreation Recreation software > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ---- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "M1-Mustang" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > M1-Mustang-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ---- > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:19:27 EST From: BEARLKBOB@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> CG location on a KR2 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <26e.3630061.30e752bf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dan, Is this set of wt/bal data valid for the old airfoil or the new one? Is it for the KR2 or the KR2s? ( If I read the question correctly, the query was for the cg on a KR2 which would imply the old airfoil; correct? Bob Polgreen ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:29:04 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Consumption and Mark's Visit To: "KRnet" Cc: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <044701c60dba$59b462f0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan Heath wrote: > If Mark trys to play down his ability to fly that thing, don't believe him. > You will see a pic of him, already tail down and very little of the > runway used. Never heard a squeek, this guy is good. Thanks for the kind words, Dan. I'll get that $20 I promised you in the mail tomorrow! That was a fun trip, all the way to Columbia, SC and back in one day, although way too quick. I didn't get out of here until 10:00AM, and if I were a really safe pilot, I wouldn't have left then. Ceilings had been 600-700 feet "with mist" all morning, and I had given up twice and started driving home, but after seeing blue sky just a few miles south, drove back to the airport knowing that one of those holes would come my way eventually. So, I took off and flew up through a hole and immediately got on top, and it went from broken to scattered just a few miles from the airport. I climbed to 9,500 for the trip over to Dan's place, to save fuel and make sure I could glide to an airport if I needed to. I burned 9.9 gallons covering 330 miles, which is an average of 33.3 miles per gallon, and I did that in an hour and 45 minutes takeoff to shutdown, which is 188 mph average and 5.6 gallons per hour. Yes, I had a bit of a tailwind. I didn't have as much time to check out Dan's plane as I'd have liked, but he ran it for me, and it sounded like a sewing machine, both at idle and full throttle (if that was full throttle). It was way quieter than mine. It looked ready to fly to me. Beautiful body work and interior too, not to mention the engine. Gotta love those big VW's. : ) It also has a lot more headroom than mine. The workmanship in that thing is awesome! Fortunately Dan got to fly my plane, and he did an excellent job of it. With the experience he had in his first KR2 "Little Beast", I'll bet he's ready to fly. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flights/051230047m.jpg for a glimpse. You know what they say, "there's a time for building, and a time for FLYING!" The trip back was way different, because as I climbed up to 10,500 it became obvious that I wasn't going to make it home before sundown with that kind of headwind, so I kept decending until my ground speed was a respectable 170 mph at 3400 rpm, but that was at 3000 feet, which was 500' AGL in places! I haven't always been real comfortable at that kind of altitude, but I think I got that way today! I had to hop a few mountain ranges on the way, but it was a real blast flying 500' off the ground over some of those plateaus, and then have the ground fall away from below, just like an OmniMax movie. At 500', you really get the feeling that you're screaming along, and you are! I keep wondering why I never see anybody up at 10,000' but airliners, but today I think I learned why! I kept comparing the GPS to the fuel totalizer, and it was clear that I was going to get home 15 minutes after sunset, but with only 5-10 minutes of fuel left, despite my leaning efforts. Sorry, but not only is that "way" not enough margin, but I don't trust this stuff that well! So I dropped in on Dalton Georgia, straight in. Threw them a $20 for some 100LL, and took off from the halfway point on the runway (half of their runway is as long as my home airport's whole runway). That cost me 12 minutes, but now I didn't care about leaning and really honked on the way back. I still managed to snap this photo of Lake Guntersville at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flights/051230078m2.jpg while I terrified the rural countryside. I may not be much of a pilot, but I know a good picture when I see one! I landed 20 minutes after sunset, another straight in job, facing a dark wall of clouds and lightening 20 miles off to the west. That's cutting it way closer than I like to do, and I'll try to make sure that doesn't happen again. Sounds kinda like "gotta-get-there-itis", I guess. I didn't reset the totalizer at the last stop, and when I landed at home it said I'd have had .3 gallons left, if I hadn't stopped at Dalton. One of these days I'm adding another wing tank! I burned 15.4 gallons on the way back, so I guess the average for both directions is 29.3 mpg, which still beats my Volkswagen GTI and Jeanie's Audi A4. Mapquest says it's a 15 hour drive there and back, and I did it in 4 hours and burned a lot less fuel, and had a whole lot more fun than driving! YeeeeeeeeeeHAAAAAAAAAAA! The plane now has 113 hours on it. What a hoot! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 534 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================