From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 59 Date: 2/8/2005 11:11:03 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: going to Reno (BSHADR) 2. Re: Glide ratio -> Change to Tracey Obrian Brakes... (JSMONDAY@aol.com) 3. RE: Bathroom Scales (Stephen Jacobs) 4. Re: Tracey O'brien Brakes... (Matthew Elder) 5. Re: going to Reno (Bubba) 6. To laminate or not ... (Stephen Jacobs) 7. Re: doug fir (patrusso) 8. Re: To laminate or not ... (Mark Langford) 9. Re: KR2 (A-D Aviation) 10. Re: To laminate or not ... (Bubba) 11. Parachutes (Bubba) 12. poh (Don Chisholm) 13. Re: Parachutes (J?rgen Thiesen) 14. Re: Parachutes (Jim Sellars) 15. parachutes (patrick36@usfamily.net) 16. Re: Parachutes (gleone) 17. Re: To laminate or not ... (paulwasp@webtv.net) 18. Re: To laminate or not ... (patrick36@usfamily.net) 19. RE: main gear position for tri gear (Jack Cooper) 20. RE: Bathroom Scales (Dennis Mingear) 21. Re: Glide ratio (Dennis Mingear) 22. Brian---Post Lights (Dana Overall) 23. Re: Parachutes (Bubba) 24. Re: parachutes (Bubba) 25. Re: To laminate or not ... (Bubba) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:10:14 -0800 From: "BSHADR" Subject: Re: KR> going to Reno To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007401c50d9c$79552690$6501a8c0@RMSDELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > larry flesner wrote: >> >> Have you gone to Mark Langford's site and checked out the KR100 ? >> >> It raced at Reno several years. To find the current owner, go to the >> FAA site and do a search for KR100. I think the N number may have >> been 100KR. > > Yup. Saw it and want one. It would be just about perfect. Looks like > it lives in Arizona now. > -- Actually, Doug Pearce was the last owner while it was in AZ. He went through a divorce. The plane migrated to Alabama the end of July 2003. Jim Stone purchased it. Sorry, I do not have any contact info for him. I would guess one of the regular Reno Formula 1 guys would know more. That is a pretty small pilot community. For racing purposes, the tail had been clipped WAY down and it grew a bubble canopy just big enough for a helmet headed pilot. Last known registration number was N1004K. I'm not sure if the wings had been clipped or not. I do suspect that while Doug owned it, the small tail might have caused the bird to clip some runway lights and toasted a race O-200. It was sans engine when it headed east. Sold in the $8-9K range. Cheers, Randy Stein South Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:14:35 EST From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Glide ratio -> Change to Tracey Obrian Brakes... To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Unfortunately.. my Tracy O'Brien Brakes and Wheels still look awesome in the box!!! John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA In a message dated 2/7/2005 8:16:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, JEHayward@aol.com writes: > On a KR note, is there anyone here that uses the Tracey Obrian brakes > for > the Asuza 5" wheels? I just got my set and they look AWSOME!... Just wanted > to > see if they worked as good as they look. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:24:03 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Bathroom Scales To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000401c50d9e$6a02a800$7864a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That is much more accurate than just adjusting the scales to read zero then expecting them to be accurate at 250 pounds. ++++++++++++++++ Water is a relatively accurate "known" weight for calibration purposes. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:28:43 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Elder Subject: Re: KR> Tracey O'brien Brakes... To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050208052843.64889.qmail@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well mine aren't too far from the box... I just got done welding the torque plates to my axles, then I powder coated them (the axle assembly) today... After all that, I installed the brakes and wheels, but the whole assembly isn't on the airplane... yet... Hopefully in the next two weekend I can get the bird sitting on it's own feet! Hrmm.. I'll have to update the website again eh? Matt --- JSMONDAY@aol.com wrote: > > Unfortunately.. my Tracy O'Brien Brakes and Wheels > still look awesome in the > box!!! > > John Monday > KR2S Laguna Beach, CA > > ===== ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://kr1.infinigral.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:18:16 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> going to Reno To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02a601c50da5$fb230b70$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original BSHADR wrote: > > Actually, Doug Pearce was the last owner while it was in AZ. He went > through a divorce. The plane migrated to Alabama the end of July > 2003. Jim Stone purchased it. Sorry, I do not have any contact info > for him. I would guess one of the regular Reno Formula 1 guys would > know more. That is a pretty small pilot community. According to the FAA Doug Pearce still owns it. Probably a beaurocracy issue. I'm hoping to fly in Sport Class. I have no intentions of winning, just looks like fun :) F1 would be nice but the KR1 wing is a bit too big and I don't want to have to shell out the cash for an O-200. > For racing purposes, the tail had been clipped WAY down and it grew a > bubble canopy just big enough for a helmet headed pilot. Last known > registration number was N1004K. I'm not sure if the wings had been > clipped or not. I do suspect that while Doug owned it, the small tail > might have caused the bird to clip some runway lights and toasted a > race O-200. It was sans engine when it headed east. Sold in the $8-9K > range. Would be nice if there were plans for it out there somewhere. It's exactly what I want. Fast and one seat. Slow and 4 seats is Cessna's job ;) From what I understand the KR100s wing is the same as the KR2s except for the flaps, so the design is obviously strong enough. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:42:17 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: KR> To laminate or not ... To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c50dc2$7cdbe710$9464a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don't forget, most laminates (such as plywood) are stronger as compared to a solid peice of wood the same thickness because of the different grain orientations. +++++++++++++++++++ I also believe this - so here is a question for the knowledgeable among us: How about making up wing spar caps out of several laminations of ply? As we are taught, a good scarf makes for any length you like without any strength compromise. 8 x 1/4" laminations would make up the correct depth (for a 2" spar cap) and work just fine for the bent spar. Using 5 ply must surely result in a bullet proof spar? Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:39:17 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> doug fir To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001001c50dd2$d2ea9790$21a772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yes you can Dick....When you don't have the wood grain running perfectly straight along a particular piece, you can rip the board lenghtwise flip one piece over so that the grain runs opposite on half the board, reglue the two pieces and you will have a single piece again much more stable and stonger than the original. You see, wood wants to fail along the grain line or growth line and laminating with the growth rings or grain offset will minimise this. I hope I explained this well enough. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: KR> doug fir > >"by laminating pieces together you can make > it hell bent for strong without adding any weight" > > Where does this info come from? You can't increase the strength of > wood simply by cutting it into strips and gluing it back together. > Dick H _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:26:47 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> To laminate or not ... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00f701c50dd9$753689e0$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Using 5 ply must surely result in a bullet proof spar? You don't mean 5 ply PLYwood do you? Because two of the five plies in plywood run perpindicular to the other three, it would be weaker than solid wood when used in the "unidirectional" application of a spar cap. But to answer somebody's question, quarter inch (or even half inch) laminations of the usual spruce would be perfect for the "bent up" center spar. That's exactly how you'd do it. One other thing that nobody's mentioned is that imperfections like hidden knots are exposed when laminating a spar, so they can be eliminated or minimized. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:36:40 +0300 From: A-D Aviation Subject: Re: KR> KR2 To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dear Orma, I would be very grateful if you could send me your unofficial POH to A-D Aviation, P.O. Box 47906, 00100GPO, Nairobi, Kenya. Many Thanks Tony on 7/2/05 3:39 PM, Orma at orma@aviation-mechanics.com wrote: > Owners Manual for a KR2 PC1 > > Hello Tony > are you looking for a construction manual or POH. The construction > manual you can get from RR engineering, and someone on the net has a > copy of a POH that was made for the KR-2. There is no official POH, > and anything that you get will not be guaranteed to be accurate at > all. If you want a copy of my un official POH (copied and > Plagiarized, still unfinished and not accurate) send me a private post > and I'll send you a copy. > > Orma > Southfield, MI > N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year > Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust > http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:00:42 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> To laminate or not ... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <038601c50dde$334296f0$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Stephen Jacobs wrote: > > I also believe this - so here is a question for the knowledgeable > among us: > > How about making up wing spar caps out of several laminations of ply? > As we are taught, a good scarf makes for any length you like without > any strength compromise. > > 8 x 1/4" laminations would make up the correct depth (for a 2" spar > cap) and work just fine for the bent spar. > > Using 5 ply must surely result in a bullet proof spar? If we can collectively prove to me that this would be structurally sound I'll build it that way. I'd rather have the dihedral be set at the centerline than at the end of the stub wings. I know it's strong enough, but I still want solid proof of it. Laminating the longerons would make life a lot easier, too. No more trying to find 14 foot pieces. Just scarf 8 foot pieces together to make pieces as long as you need, staggering the joints, and laminate it all together. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:18:42 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: KR> Parachutes To: "KRNet" Message-ID: <03a301c50de0$b7085860$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Call me paranoid, but I'm thinking it's a good idea to wear a chute while flying my project, and not just during the 40 hours. So now I'm stuck with a bit of a situation. I need a chute to design the seat, but if I buy a chute now I have to pay to get it repacked every 4 months even though I'm not using it. But then I could just not get it repacked until a few weeks before the first flight. Anyway, does anyone have any recommendations on where to get a chute? Needs to be on my back, not a seat or chair pack, and $1500 for a National is right out. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:20:22 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> poh To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050208142022.804.qmail@web88012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sonerai flight manual from sonerai plans is just about a shoe in for a kr flight manual, engines the same, stalls the same, vne's the same the only thing that's really different is the pictures are of sonerai's. I'm sure I'll get feedback on this statement Don Chisholm ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:23:41 +0100 From: J?rgen Thiesen Subject: Re: KR> Parachutes To: KRnet Message-ID: <200502081523.41159.j.thiesen@thiesen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Steve, I also design the seat for a parachute. I go the way, that I will get a chute from the glider scene (long body). The long body chutes saves the uppolstery of the seat. For first overview look at aircraftspruce... in the catalog are the dimentions and the weight. with best regards Juergen Am Dienstag, 8. Februar 2005 14:18 schrieb Bubba: > Call me paranoid, but I'm thinking it's a good idea to wear a chute > while flying my project, and not just during the 40 hours. So now I'm > stuck with a bit of a situation. I need a chute to design the seat, > but if I buy a chute now I have to pay to get it repacked every 4 > months even though I'm not using it. But then I could just not get it > repacked until a few weeks before the first flight. Anyway, does > anyone have any recommendations on where to get a chute? Needs to be > on my back, not a seat or chair pack, and $1500 for a National is > right out. > -- > Steve > N205FT > mysticz28@swbell.net > He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:57:15 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR> Parachutes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c50dee$7af08dd0$6401a8c0@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Steve:\ Practically speaking if the thing won't work you don't need it. If you have ever sat in a KR2 you would know that getting out with the wind forces and all that would make it almost impossible to egress unless you made the canopy an emergency release. On the other hand simply doing a forced landing in a field or what ever you can find is the next best option, if you are concerned ware a helmet, and stay in glide distance of the field until you're sure the plane can fly where you want to go. From experience Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bubba" To: "KRNet" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: KR> Parachutes > Call me paranoid, but I'm thinking it's a good idea to wear a chute > while flying my project, and not just during the 40 hours. So now I'm > stuck with a bit of a situation. I need a chute to design the seat, > but if I buy a chute > now I have to pay to get it repacked every 4 months even though I'm not > using it. But then I could just not get it repacked until a few weeks > before > the first flight. Anyway, does anyone have any recommendations on where to > get a chute? Needs to be on my back, not a seat or chair pack, and $1500 > for > a National is right out. > -- > Steve > N205FT > mysticz28@swbell.net > He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:44:53 -0600 From: Subject: KR> parachutes To: "KR Mailing list" Message-ID: <002201c50df5$25ad7340$fa8dd440@usf285120> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was certified as a chute packer while in the Air Force Reserves. It is not difficult to do and I would think that if you joined a local sky divers club you could learn and get yourself certified to pack your own chute and you could also get in a few jumps to know what to do if you ever needed to do it. I also do not think you could get out of a KR2 in an emergency. I often wondered why one has to wear a chute to do acrobatics in a Citabria when you can't get out of an aircraft like that either. Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN 55102 patrick36@usfamily.net --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:49:42 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: KR> Parachutes To: "Jim Sellars" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <4208DF96.000004.03444@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The parachute is an excellent idea but true, you need to do something different with the canopy. One way is a pull-pin release to jettison the canopy entirely (if you're bailing, I doubt it matters what happens to the thing). In my bird, I am installing a sliding canopy which will allow me to simply step out. A third, albeit an expensive and relatively heavy option, is a ballistic chute. But at a minimum, a thin, backpack chute is very inexpensive life insurance. Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming "Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around than tall!" -------Original Message------- From: Jim Sellars Date: 02/08/05 07:57:28 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Parachutes Steve:\ Practically speaking if the thing won't work you don't need it. If you have ever sat in a KR2 you would know that getting out with the wind forces and all that would make it almost impossible to egress unless you made the canopy an emergency release. On the other hand simply doing a forced landing in a field or what ever you can find is the next best option, if you are concerned ware a helmet, and stay in glide distance of the field until you're sure the plane can fly where you want to go. >From experience Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bubba" To: "KRNet" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: KR> Parachutes > Call me paranoid, but I'm thinking it's a good idea to wear a chute > while flying my project, and not just during the 40 hours. So now I'm > stuck with a bit of a situation. I need a chute to design the seat, > but if I buy a chute > now I have to pay to get it repacked every 4 months even though I'm not > using it. But then I could just not get it repacked until a few weeks > before > the first flight. Anyway, does anyone have any recommendations on where to > get a chute? Needs to be on my back, not a seat or chair pack, and $1500 > for > a National is right out. > -- > Steve > N205FT > mysticz28@swbell.net > He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:56:02 -0500 From: paulwasp@webtv.net Subject: Re: KR> To laminate or not ... To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <9002-4208E112-4772@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Hi, all; Wouldn't that make for a really heavy spar (solid plywood)? Unless you're just talking laminated spar CAPS. Paul Kr2s ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:10:59 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> To laminate or not ... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000b01c50df8$c8bff140$568dd440@usf285120> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- >Paul Wrote> > >unless you're just talking laminated spar CAPS. > >> If laminations are as strong as I think they are, why couldn't a >> person laminate a well grained piece of pine for spar caps? Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN 55102 patrick36@usfamily.net> > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:27:27 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> main gear position for tri gear To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22005228162727687@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dean I just measured my mains from rear face to center of axle 14.8cm Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Dene Collett \(SA\) > To: krnet > Date: 2/7/2005 4:06:02 PM > Subject: KR> main gear position for tri gear > > Hi Guys > I am busy building the main gear legs for my tri gear and was just wondering > where the other guys with tri gear configs have positioned their > wheels with > regard to the rear face of the main spar. I am able to get the centre > of the > wheel about 215mm from the rear face of the spar. I would be > interested if all those with tri gear configs and have the info > available would send it to > me privately. > I was looking at John Shaffer's plane and it would seem that his > wheels are > a bit closer than this. Is there not a standard percentage weight that > the mains should handle or is it ok as long as the wheels are behind > the rear CG > limit. > Thanks. > Dene Collett > KR2S-RT builder > Port Elizabeth > South Africa > mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net > P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: RE: KR> Bathroom Scales To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050208163922.35122.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Buying some of the heavy, round exercise weights at a garage sale would also be a relatively accurate way to calibrate your scale. You could even borrow a set from someone. Denny ... Stephen Jacobs wrote: That is much more accurate than just adjusting the scales to read zero then expecting them to be accurate at 250 pounds. ++++++++++++++++ Water is a relatively accurate "known" weight for calibration purposes. Steve J _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the monkey patriotic." Scott Ritter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:49:12 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> Glide ratio To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050208164913.32332.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don, the "Pucker Factor" was probably holding you up. lol Denny ... Don Sprague wrote: I can't give you the numbers because my adrenaline was running kinda high at the time, but my engine died at 1800 ft above the airport on my first three flights (fuel vent problem). I got about 3/4 around the pattern each time, lining up with the runway and the problem was slowing it down and crabbing like hell to lose the extra altitude when I had the runway made. All in all, I was pleased with the glide ratio. Don KR2, N118DS Houston, TX "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the monkey patriotic." Scott Ritter --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:51:59 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: KR> Brian---Post Lights To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sorry for this private email but Brian could you please contact me offlist concerning your posts lights and the upcoming flyin. Thanks Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:40:40 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> Parachutes To: "Jim Sellars" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <040a01c50e05$5018e000$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jim Sellars wrote: > Steve:\ > Practically speaking if the thing won't work you don't need it. If > you have ever sat in a KR2 you would know that getting out with the > wind forces and all that would make it almost impossible to egress > unless you made the canopy an emergency release. On the other hand > simply doing a forced landing in a field or what ever you can find is > the next best option, if you are concerned ware a helmet, and stay in > glide distance of the field until you're sure the plane can > fly where you want to go. From experience If I'm getting out of the airplane it's not going to be in a stable glide. It'll likely have a major structural failure and once it starts moving any direction other than forward popping the canopy latches will probably result in the canopy being ripped off it's mounts and then I'm out of there. Epoxy cures faster than bones heal ;) I need to find a helmet, too. I have 4 sitting around, but they're not suitable (full face motorcycle helments). One of these days I'll find a deal on a military helmet. If I stick that turbo I was eyeing in there I could use the matching O2 mask, too :) -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:46:14 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> parachutes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <041101c50e06$17433400$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original patrick36@usfamily.net wrote: > I was certified as a chute packer while in the Air Force Reserves. > It is not difficult to do and I would think that if you joined a local > sky divers club you could learn and get yourself certified to pack > your own chute and you could also get in a few jumps to know what to > do if you ever needed to do it. I was thinking about that, actually. Would be nice to test the chute I'm wearing in the real world, but I don't know what they'd say about that. > I also do not think you could > get out of a KR2 in an emergency. I often wondered why one has to wear > a chute to do acrobatics in a Citabria when you can't get out of an > aircraft like that either. Pat Driscoll My dad was a Cessna test pilot years ago and told me about the door jettison handles that were installed. I think they were basically just a handle attached to the door hinge pin. Once there's a hole to go through it's not tough to get out of an airplane. The hard part is making that hole ;) -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:14:39 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> To laminate or not ... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <042201c50e12$71163c50$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original patrick36@usfamily.net wrote: > > If laminations are as strong as I think they are, why couldn't a > person laminate a well grained piece of pine for spar caps? Yup, just have to calculate the strength and make sure it's suitable. Also have to make sure the wood is durable enough. It would suck mightily to have your spar rot out of the wing in 5 years. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 59 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================