From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 73 Date: 2/17/2005 5:56:21 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re:wing area (Donald Reid) 2. Re: Re:wing area (JAMES C FERRIS) 3. Re: wing area (larry flesner) 4. RE: wing area (Golden, Kevin) 5. wing area/fuselage shape (larry flesner) 6. Re: Re:wing area (Joseph H. Horton) 7. Buying and selling on the KRNet (Robert L. Stone) 8. Re: Re:wing area (JAMES C FERRIS) 9. Re: Buying and selling on the KRNet (Phillip Matheson) 10. Re: Buying and selling on the KRNet (Robert L. Stone) 11. Re: Buying and selling on the KRNet (David Mikesell) 12. From another list (thepittses@juno.com) 13. Facet Pumps (Dan Heath) 14. Fw: [barnstormers.com] Re: GlassGauge Air Data Instruments (David Mikesell) 15. Re: From another list (Dean Cooper) 16. Bubba (ronevogt@cox.net) 17. Re: Re:wing area (larry flesner) 18. Re: Facet Pumps (larry flesner) 19. Re: Bubba (David Mikesell) 20. Re: Facet Pumps (Joe Bienkowski) 21. RE: From another list (Ron Freiberger) 22. RE: Facet Pumps (Ron Freiberger) 23. RE: Facet Pumps (Brian Kraut) 24. RE: Facet Pumps (Dan Heath) 25. Re: KR - They turbo VW's, how about ? (greg) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:52:25 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Re:wing area To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20050217054852.01b0d230@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:14 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: > > > > >I figured the area as flat > > >plate of the wing dimensions. Am I doing something wrong or is this > > >a case of the spec's not being correct??? > > > > Try including the portion of the wing in the fuselage. > > >That would add about 12sq. ft. but I do not picture that as to be >included as wing area. I believed that wing area was that portion of >the aircraft that had an airfoil. If my number would be accurate then >wing loading numbers would increase. > Some how I don't feel like I can be right after all the 78 to >80 sq. ft. number has been used for 30 years. Thanks - Joe Horton The fuselage contributes lift approximately equal to that which would be seen from a continuous wing. Just extrapolate the wing through the fuselage and add in this as wing area. This is found any number of reference books on aeronautical engineering. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://aerofoilengineering.com KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:05:57 -0500 From: JAMES C FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> Re:wing area To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050217.080557.1456.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Larry is correct, the portion of the wing enclosed by the fuselage is always considered to be part of the wing area on all aircraft. jim ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:07:20 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> wing area To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050217080720.00813990@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It is said that the fuselage contributes some nominal amount to >the overall lift, so it could be considered to be somewhat of a >"lifting >body" itself. >I don't buy it either ;o) >Oscar Zuniga +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Oscar and other disbelievers, If you remind me, I could demonstrate at the next Gathering by "lifting" my gullwing door open at a VERY LOW throttle setting! Don't ask me how I know. And no, it's not "blown" open , it's "lifted" open.. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:15:03 -0500 From: "Golden, Kevin" Subject: RE: KR> wing area To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Seems I read somewhere recently that the lifting fuselage is a bad thing. I believe the article I was reading was about the Hyperbipe. If you look at a Hyperbipe fuselage, it is very airfoil shaped. I always thought that was a good idea, but maybe on particularly aerobatic aircraft, that is a bad thing. Kevin. No KR, but interested in a KR1 with one piece wing and Geo driveline. -----Original Message----- From: larry flesner [mailto:flesner@midwest.net] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:07 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> wing area It is said that the fuselage contributes some nominal amount to >the overall lift, so it could be considered to be somewhat of a >"lifting >body" itself. >I don't buy it either ;o) >Oscar Zuniga +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Oscar and other disbelievers, If you remind me, I could demonstrate at the next Gathering by "lifting" my gullwing door open at a VERY LOW throttle setting! Don't ask me how I know. And no, it's not "blown" open , it's "lifted" open.. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html The information contained in this message may be confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is for the use of the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination or copying of the information in this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:29:20 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> wing area/fuselage shape To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050217092920.00811a00@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:15 AM 2/17/05 -0500, you wrote: >Seems I read somewhere recently that the lifting fuselage is a bad >thing. I believe the article I was reading was about the Hyperbipe. >If you look at a Hyperbipe fuselage, it is very airfoil shaped. I >always thought that was a good idea, but maybe on particularly >aerobatic aircraft, that is a bad thing. Kevin. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One of the nicest aerobatic routines I've seen flown was years ago by a pilot in a Hyperbipe. The fuselage shape didn't seem to limit the airplane's performance in any way !!! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:38:19 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> Re:wing area To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050217.113819.7108.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK Guys -- I'm convinced to use the area in the fuselage also for the purpose of wing area. I still need a much larger education on the practical use of those square feet in the calculations of wing loading. Thanks to all who responded. Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:16:10 -0600 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: KR> Buying and selling on the KRNet To: "KR Builders Pilots" Message-ID: <000601c51514$60e4be20$a624c944@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dear Netters, I have read where one of the members lost some money because he trusted someone who said he had a product to sell and when the money was sent nothing more was heard from the seller and the buyer received nothing. This is not the first time I have read of this happening but it could be the last. There is a way to control or prevent this from happening and that is to establish an excrow account. It could be done in the following manner. When someone advertises something for sale and another member is interested in purchasing said item, a third party could receive the payment in the form of a money order or check and hold it until notified by the buyer, the item has been received. Any seller who is unwilling to do business in this manner most likelly can't be trusted. When the buyer sends the payment to the escrow officer he should also send a stamped, and addressed to the seller envelope. When the escrow officer recieves word from the buyer that the item has arrived, the escrow sends the pre-addressed envelope with the payment in it to the seller. The escrow officer never handles money, just money orders or checks that are made out to the sellers. I do not post to the KRNet very often and therefore am not well known. My wife is in very poor health and cannot be left alone for any long period of time therefor I have never made it to any of the gatherings except the one at Canton, Texas a few years back. I would be willing to act as an escrow officer for the group as described above. I am 76 years old and retired so have nothing but time and would be willing to serve the KRNet members in this capicity. Bob Stone 4214 Lakecliffe Drive Harker Heights, Tx 76548-8611 rstone4@hot.rr.com 254-698-1517 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:41:21 -0500 From: JAMES C FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> Re:wing area To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050217.124121.1456.4.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This area is used in all of the calculations, wing loading, aspect ratio, induced drag, and all of the coefficients etc. Drag coefficient = drag/qS, Lift coefficient = lift /qS, pitching-moment coefficient = pitching-moment/qSc etc. Sincerely Jim ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:27:50 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Buying and selling on the KRNet To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d901c5153f$eadc0d60$8c31ddcb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob When someone advertises something for sale and another member is interested in purchasing said item, a third party could receive the payment in the form of a money order or check and hold it until notified by the buyer, the item has been received ------------------------------------- This is what I under stand PAYPAL is meant to do ?? Am I wrong. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:00:25 -0600 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Buying and selling on the KRNet To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c51544$786b3b20$a624c944@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Phillip I know nothing of E-bay or Paypal but I am sure they would charge something. With my idea the buyer would be out $0.37 for the stamp to send the payment on. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: Re: KR> Buying and selling on the KRNet > Bob > When someone advertises something for sale and another member is > interested in purchasing said item, a third party could receive the > payment in the form of a money order or check and hold it until > notified by the buyer, the item has been received > > ------------------------------------- > > This is what I under stand PAYPAL is meant to do ?? > Am I wrong. > > Phillip Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > Australia > VH PKR > See our engines and kits at. > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > See my KR Construction web page at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:27:51 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: KR> Buying and selling on the KRNet To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000e01c51550$aea14a20$6501a8c0@DavidMikesell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I can tell you right now, paypal I have used for years with no problem but this time they won't recover the money, they don't care about the fact I got ripped off. I even talked on the phone for 3 hours with them today. Paypal is a way to transfer money, thats all they are good for. David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: Re: KR> Buying and selling on the KRNet > Bob > When someone advertises something for sale and another member is > interested in purchasing said item, a third party could receive the payment > in the form of a money order or check and hold it until notified by > the buyer, the item has been received > > ------------------------------------- > > This is what I under stand PAYPAL is meant to do ?? > Am I wrong. > > Phillip Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > Australia > VH PKR > See our engines and kits at. > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > See my KR Construction web page at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:31:09 GMT From: "thepittses@juno.com" Subject: KR> From another list To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050217.163118.28178.94747@webmail23.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain "I hate taking up space but I have to tell you do not do business with Scott Mccomas, (740) 886-6712, 364 Township Road 1229, Proctorville, OH 45669 or Glassgauge Instrumentation (owned by Scott)I have the emails and credit card slips to prove what I am going to say. I paid him for a EIS/AirData system only after a email saying the new version 1.3 was in stock and I would have it in 2 weeks after payment to allow time for custom programing. He called me once to tell me that he would let me know my shipping date. Well that was in January and here in February he closed his business and ran off with my money. He won't answer the phone or return my calls or return my emails or the worst won't return my money, which was $383.69 for a unit I ordered and paid for." Eric Pitts KR2S ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:42:16 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Facet Pumps To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <421539E8.000003.01088@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have 2 Facet fuel pumps. When I apply power, they make a high frequency buzzing sound and do not pump anything. When I look inside the output port, I can see the little white ball vibrating inside. I cannot even feel any air being moved on either side of the pump. Any ideas on what might be the problem. I am using my 12 V 6A battery charger for a power supply. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:41:23 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" Subject: KR> Fw: [barnstormers.com] Re: GlassGauge Air Data Instruments To: , , "gg" , , "KR builders and pilots" , "mccomas scott" , "Merve Fedrau" , "Ragwing Offtopic Conference" Message-ID: <002701c51552$92ba1f60$6501a8c0@DavidMikesell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is from someone else Scott Mccomas has ripped off. The list is growing, I have been contacted by so many people since I posted this. I included a copy to Scott so he knows alot of people are going to be happy to see him in jail. I even sent a copy of the names to the FBI who are handling the fraud case. Since it crosses state lines it is federal and since it also shows he has done it to several people before he called and told me he had them in stock that he lied to me to get my money and therefore is complete fraud. I will not stop until this guy goes to jail. My credit card company said they are going after him too and that after he is convicted I will get my money back from them. Hear that Scott??? Jail baby!!!!!!!! Get used to bubba using you for his wife!!!!!!! David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Kissel To: skyguynca@skyguynca.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: RE: [barnstormers.com] Re: GlassGauge Air Data Instruments Hi David, I had to get my lawyer after the guy but 4 months now I still haven't seen a cent! What a scam artist this Scott McComas is! I had another guy email me and he did get his instrument but doesn't know if it works or not. You need to get a lawyer and go after him too. You can use me as a reference. I feel like driving to his house and beating the shit out of the little bastard but then I would be the one thrown in jail. Please email me back when you find out anything about your refund. Greg Kissel 919-639-2039 >From: skyguynca@skyguynca.com >To: Kfirestar@hotmail.com >Subject: >[barnstormers.com] Re: GlassGauge Air Data Instruments >Date: Thu, 17 >Feb 2005 14:09:00 -800 (PST) >Received: from redbaron.barnstormers.com >([69.63.197.218]) by mc1-f25.hotmail.com with Microsoft >SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:08:40 -0800 >Received: from >www.barnstormers.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by >redbaron.barnstormers.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id >j1HM90we013891for Kfirestar@hotmail.com; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:09:05 >-0800 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEubD7lumAi17Bentp5DnIcKHgBDKeVvhU= >>X-Mailer: DGS SMTP v0.9.1 >>Return-Path: skyguynca@skyguynca.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb >2005 22:08:41.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CF7FA80:01C5153D] > >Dear Greg, > >the following message from David Mikesell was sent through the >>barnstormers.com web site in regard to the following listing.. > >http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=61284 >to reply to David >Mikesell simply reply to this email. > >David Mikesell Says : > I have >been a victim of these guys. I am still trying to get my money >back. >What is your story? 209-609-8774 David Mikesell > > >>------------------------------------------------------- >BARNSTORMERS >WARNING! A number of folks have reported getting SCAM >responses to >their ads. An example of a scam is an offer to purchase the >item with >a cashiers check for more than the price. The excess is supposed >to be >sent by the seller to the buyer. The cashiers check is bogus. Real >>buyers pay the actual amount and ask lots of relevant questions. Be >>careful! > >See Barnstormers "Internet Fraud" page for some examples >at: >http://www.barnstormers.com/uploads/banners/fraud.html > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find just what you're after with the new, more precise MSN Search - try it now! ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:47:05 -0500 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> From another list To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <021001c51553$5e5980c0$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Eric wrote: >I have the emails and credit card slips to prove what I am going to say Eric, If you paid for it with a credit card (direct to the merchant - not to paypal), you should be able to dispute the charge. You have to notify the credit card issuer in writing within 60 days from the billing date in which the charge appeared. It should be pretty easy to resolve if the above is true. I've worked the past 15 years in the credit card industry (don't flame me... :-) Contact me off-net if I can help. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:49:58 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Bubba To: Message-ID: <20050218004957.DYFQ510.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dave said; "Get used to Budda using you for his wife." Hey Dave, let's leave Budda out of this. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:00:04 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Re:wing area To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050217190004.0081cb30@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I still need a much larger education on the >practical use of those square feet in the calculations of wing loading. >Joe Horton ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The only real use we have for square feet / wing loading as KR builders and fliers is to get some GENERAL idea of how the KR is going to ride in rough air and some GENERAL idea of landing and takeoff speeds. This is true, of course, only if you are not doing some design / redesign of the structure. Compute the pounds per square foot of your bird and compare it to other aircraft like Cessna, Piper, ultralights, etc. My KR, with me and full fuel, comes in at approx 14 pounds per square foot. A bit heavy for a KR but I get a decent ride in choppy air, especially if I keep the speed down in the 140 mph range or below. Compare that to an ultralight in maybe the 7 or 8 lbs/sq. foot range or a business jet / airliner in the 30+ lbs/sq. foot range. But hey, you're already committed to the bird you've built and pretty much stuck with what you've got. Don't worry about it and get flying !!!!!! Are you going to make Mt.Vernon in September ???????????? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:08:25 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Facet Pumps To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050217190825.0081b2b0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dan, I used my battery charger as a power supply also. That shouldn't be a problem. Something sounds WAY WRONG with the pumps though. Have you tried priming the input line, with the output blocked, apply power and see if it continues to pump fluid. They may not be self-priming like the ones I have. Beyond that, I don't know. I'd call or e-mail Facut. Good luck. Larry ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:10:43 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: KR> Bubba To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004401c51556$ab64ae00$6501a8c0@DavidMikesell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OOOPSSSSSSSSSS, that was supposed to be Bubba.......I swear I don't know where they dd's came from. David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:49 PM Subject: KR> Bubba > Dave said; "Get used to Budda using you for his wife." > > Hey Dave, let's leave Budda out of this. > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:22:51 -0500 From: Joe Bienkowski Subject: Re: KR> Facet Pumps To: KRnet Message-ID: <4215436B.9070609@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed First put a battery across the charger. PUMP will NOT function properly on charger alone. Second, these pumps do NOT pump air! Third, what fluid are you trying to pump? best, Joe, Bowling Green, OH Dan Heath wrote: >I have 2 Facet fuel pumps. When I apply power, they make a high >frequency buzzing sound and do not pump anything. When I look inside >the output port, I can see the little white ball vibrating inside. I >cannot even feel any air being moved on either side of the pump. > >Any ideas on what might be the problem. I am using my 12 V 6A battery >charger for a power supply. > > > >See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > >There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for >building has expired. > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:32:07 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> From another list To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000401c51559$ac797200$8f722241@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yet another reason to Pay by Master Card. Then, you'd have some backup. Ron Freiberger mail to rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com <- substitute an @ sign ;o) -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of thepittses@juno.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:31 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> From another list "I hate taking up space but I have to tell you do not do business with Scott Mccomas, (740) 886-6712, 364 Township Road 1229, Proctorville, OH 45669 or Glassgauge Instrumentation ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:32:56 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Facet Pumps To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000501c51559$c947b680$8f722241@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Facet pumps;They pump well, suck but little. Ron Freiberger mail to rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com <- substitute an @ sign ;o) -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:42 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Facet Pumps I have 2 Facet fuel pumps. When I apply power, they make a high frequency buzzing sound and do not pump anything. When I look inside the output port, I can see the little white ball vibrating inside. I cannot even feel any air being moved on either side of the pump. Any ideas on what might be the problem. I am using my 12 V 6A battery charger for a power supply. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:31:27 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Facet Pumps To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Were you seeing if they pumped any air before you tried fuel? They don't move air at all. They are also not that good at sucking up a prime when they are very far above the liquid level. There is also a very good chance if you were trying to pump liquid that the 6A charger is not going to do it. The average current on the pump is less than 2 amps, but they take a little kick to get going that the charger may not be able to supply. The small inexpensive chargers also sometimes only have half wave rectifiction of the AC (meaning that you get a 12V pulse than nothing 60 times a second). That is a likely culprit considering your buzzing description. In normal operation it is more of a clacking at a few times a second. Hook it to your car battery if the plane battery is not charged and I bet you a donut it works fine. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:42 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Facet Pumps I have 2 Facet fuel pumps. When I apply power, they make a high frequency buzzing sound and do not pump anything. When I look inside the output port, I can see the little white ball vibrating inside. I cannot even feel any air being moved on either side of the pump. Any ideas on what might be the problem. I am using my 12 V 6A battery charger for a power supply. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:45:26 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Facet Pumps To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <421548B6.000007.01088@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have tried pouring gasoline down the line and it just dribbles through. Tonight, I was using water to avoid the stink of the fuel as I had to be inside. One time I tried the liquid above the pumps and another time I tried it below the pumps. They are described as self priming. I do remember the clacking sound of the pump that I had on my first KR and this does not sound like that at all. I will try the battery tomorrow as this is a cheap charger. Thanks for all the input. I will let you know how it goes. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:55:34 -0800 From: "greg" Subject: KR> Re: KR - They turbo VW's, how about ? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000501c5155c$f52ed9b0$8521f842@missesgreg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark L You may have an idea about turboing an 0-200, not for power but to normilize. That's what I'm thing of doing. I just don't remember any conversations about the C-0-200. Just thinking out loud. Greg Martin ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 73 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================