From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 75 Date: 2/18/2005 9:00:27 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: wing area (Matthew Elder) 2. Facet Pumps (Glynnis Young) 3. Re: Fw: [barnstormers.com] Re: GlassGauge Air Data Instruments (JAMES C FERRIS) 4. Re: Facet Pumps (Dene Collett (SA)) 5. airfoil (Jerry Morris) 6. FBI (Colin & Bev Rainey) 7. Re: From another list (thepittses@juno.com) 8. Re: From another list (robert glidden) 9. Re: From another list (Mark Jones) 10. Re: From another list (robert glidden) 11. Re: From another list (Mark Jones) 12. Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? (Dan Heath) 13. Re: Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? (Joseph H Horton) 14. Re: Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? (BEARLKBOB@aol.com) 15. RE: Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? (Ron Freiberger) 16. cowling molds (robert glidden) 17. Re: Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? (JAMES C FERRIS) 18. Dispute Resolution??? - Why I need this to be covered in the contract " agreement " (Dan Heath) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Elder Subject: Re: KR> wing area To: gsxrboy@houston.rr.com, KRnet Message-ID: <20050218174153.87011.qmail@web30210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "B. Ferguson" wrote: > With a wing being a 3D shape I wonder if another > figure is being > included in the wing area. If you look at a wing > from above and use this > as an area to be measured that is one figure. If you > were to look at an > airfoil along its axis you would find that in most > cases the bottom of > the wing has some type of curve involved. No... Wing area is defined as the 2D planform area and does include the interpolated planform section that may pass through the fuselage, engine nacelles, tail booms, etc... as if they weren't there and the wing continued. Matt ===== ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://kr1.infinigral.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:02:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Glynnis Young Subject: KR> Facet Pumps To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050218180217.36484.qmail@web86907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Put them on a battery. They will probably work fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of this has already been said in different responses. However, battery chargers come in many configurations - only the good ones have full wave rectification with a stabilized current regulator. Many of the otherwise very effective chargers have half-wave rectifiers (i.e. they clip one half of the AC sine wave to emulate DC) and some of the less costly units rely on the internal resistance of the load to regulate the charge rate. Even if the current rating looks right, a charger with half-wave rectification and psuedo regulation will not drive an inductive load of like rating. The pumps are (were) probably fine - the fact that both do the same thing is a big clue. G --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:10:19 -0500 From: JAMES C FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> Fw: [barnstormers.com] Re: GlassGauge Air Data Instruments To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050218.141019.1456.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Do you have an e-mail address or phone number for the FBI that handles fraude cases? Thanks Jim ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:23:45 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" Subject: Re: KR> Facet Pumps To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ab01c51600$3cc9db00$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Your charger might only be supplying a half wave rectified sine wave which literally clips off the negative half of the wave (pos side for those in OZ) leaving a gap where it used to be. This is OK for charging a battery but will not work properly as a supply for something that needs pure DC. As for a "Facet "pump Not being able to pump air, all I can say is "WRONG". The only reason I am alive today is because of a quick thinking pilot that does not even know how to spell panic.A facet pump that pumped air into the fuel line nearly cost both of us our life. Trust me it DOES pump air, been there,seen it, learnt my lesson! Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Bienkowski" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:22 AM Subject: Re: KR> Facet Pumps > First put a battery across the charger. PUMP will NOT function > properly on charger alone. > Second, these pumps do NOT pump air! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:29:27 -0700 From: "Jerry Morris" Subject: KR> airfoil To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <42166C47.7070808@nsc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Has any one here made a mold of the new airfoil to pull wing skins from? thanks jerry kr1 not started, still planning, fiberglass & foam ordered. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:38:26 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> FBI To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003101c5160a$8fb9a700$9c402141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Call the FBI 1-800 number and ask for the white collar crime unit, economic crime section. Tell them right off the bat that it is a crime involving interstate commerce, or they will put you off to the local authorities for action. Then do as they tell you to do, and be PATIENT. They move at a snails pace, but they do move.... Colin & Beverly Rainey Apex Lending, Inc. www.eloan2004cr.com crainey@apexlending.com 407-323-6960 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:42:47 GMT From: "thepittses@juno.com" Subject: Re: KR> From another list To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050218.144250.24083.109286@webmail16.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain I should have made myself clearer, this did not happen to me it happened to another fellow on the other list I am on. Sorry to be clear as mudd. :) Eric Pitts Kr2S Eric wrote: >I have the emails and credit card slips to prove what I am going to say Eric, If you paid for it with a credit card (direct to the merchant - not to paypal), you should be able to dispute the charge. You have to notify the credit card issuer in writing within 60 days from the billing date in which the charge appeared. It should be pretty easy to resolve if the above is true. I've worked the past 15 years in the credit card industry (don't flame me... :-) ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:05:44 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> From another list To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011601c5160e$6044c500$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" About the same brain waves as mudd as well!!!!!! > > I should have made myself clearer, this did not happen to me it > happened to another fellow on the other list I am on. Sorry to be clear as mudd. :) > > Eric Pitts > Kr2S > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:42:40 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> From another list To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001501c51613$8de964c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Eric, You gonna sit back and take that from Glidden? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert glidden" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: Re: KR> From another list > About the same brain waves as mudd as well!!!!!! > > > > > > > I should have made myself clearer, this did not happen to me it > > happened > to another fellow on the other list I am on. Sorry to be clear as > mudd. :) > > > > Eric Pitts > > Kr2S > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:50:50 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> From another list To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <012d01c51614$ad0b8ee0$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" He's sitting back trying to think of something smart to say....that could take a while > Eric, > You gonna sit back and take that from Glidden? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert glidden" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: KR> From another list > > > > About the same brain waves as mudd as well!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > I should have made myself clearer, this did not happen to me it happened > > to another fellow on the other list I am on. Sorry to be clear as > > mudd. :) > > > > > > Eric Pitts > > > Kr2S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:23:15 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> From another list To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002d01c51619$3857d180$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Eric...defend yourself man...defend yourself...... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert glidden" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: KR> From another list > He's sitting back trying to think of something smart to say....that > could take a while > > > > > Eric, > > You gonna sit back and take that from Glidden? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert glidden" > > To: "KRnet" > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:05 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> From another list > > > > > > > About the same brain waves as mudd as well!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should have made myself clearer, this did not happen to me it > happened > > > to another fellow on the other list I am on. Sorry to be clear as mudd. > :) > > > > > > > > Eric Pitts > > > > Kr2S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > > > KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at > > > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:03:02 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <42169046.000005.03500@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have had a paralegal look at our agreement for Co-Ownership and she discussed it with an attorney. The main problem they saw with it, is that there is no provision for dispute resolution. Since there are only 2 of us, majority vote won't work. Any ideas? I intend to share this document with the group when it is complete. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:29:07 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Re: KR> Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050218.202908.-667553.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dan- I'm pretty sure that in any dispute that the lawyer gets the plane Joe ;-) > discussed it with an attorney. The main problem they saw with it, > is that > there is no provision for dispute resolution. Since there are only > 2 of us, > majority vote won't work. > > Any ideas? I intend to share this document with the group when it > is > complete. > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:48:25 EST From: BEARLKBOB@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1d7.36ef495e.2f47f4e9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I would like to read a copy of your co ownwership docs, am starting a flying club to fly more types at better costs. We are 2 now, but others want in. It is informal at present, but will need a more concrete model. Good luck with your co ownership. Bob Polgreen 1970 AA1 Yankee ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:57:40 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002101c51626$657a9d70$8f722241@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Buy/sell arrangements are common. One unhappy camper proposes a price, and the second party chooses to buy or sell. It's a simple process. Ron Freiberger mail to rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com <- substitute an @ sign ;o) ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:50:29 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: KR> cowling molds To: "Krnet" Message-ID: <017d01c51625$640cf920$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan Have you pulled a cowling off the Langford mold yet? Bob Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:16:16 -0500 From: JAMES C FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050218.211616.2756.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You don't want to own an airplane with anyone but a good friend and you don't need a lawyer to screw things up. I have owned and airplane with a friend that I rebuilt the airplane with, NO PROBLEMS. He sold is half to another person and still no problems. this guy sold his half back to me as he was moving away (1300 miles) then I spld half to another friend who wanted to teach his wife to fly and we had no problems. A lawyer was never involed except that we got the unserviceable airplane from a lawyer, I think thats why there were no problems. Sincerely Jim ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:07:23 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Dispute Resolution??? - Why I need this to be covered in the contract " agreement " To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4216BB7B.000007.03500@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is no "lawyer involved". There are many issues to deal with, particularly in the case where one person dies and the family decides that they do want to get a lawyer to take your plane away from you, when that is something that neither of you wanted to happen. What happens when one decides that he does not want to pay hangar rent or insurance anymore? If the plane is damaged and if it is deemed to be due to mechanical error, both pay, otherwise the one who broke it pays and neither can agree. There is always room for disputes, even among the best of friends and a contract" is worthless if it has no way to handle disputes. I need a way to make the contract valid, so no one else can step in and mess with OUR plane. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 75 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================