From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 84 Date: 2/24/2005 9:00:16 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. importing homebuilt aircraft (Don Chisholm) 2. RE: Cowling hinges (paulwasp@webtv.net) 3. RE: Cowling hinges (Mark Jones) 4. Re: getting a ride/ or comparable (Jim Sellars) 5. Re: RE: KR> Cowling hinges (danrh@alltel.net) 6. RE: getting a ride/ or comparable (Doug Rupert) 7. getting a ride/ or comparable (larry flesner) 8. Re: getting a ride/ or comparable (kr2) 9. Question for builders who have flown (Ron Freiberger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:08:20 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> importing homebuilt aircraft To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050224130820.26416.qmail@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey netters anybody in the know about importing a homebuilt from Canada and the kind of red tape involved in making it legal to flying status? Don Chisholm chizmsupholstery@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:39:02 -0500 From: paulwasp@webtv.net Subject: RE: KR> Cowling hinges To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <26662-421DF516-1978@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Hi, all; Speaking of hinges, what methods are being utilized to attach them....and are they being used for top and sides at the firewall as well as top and bottom of the cowling? Hope the above isn't too confusing....thanks in advance. Paul KR2s Erie, PA ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:47:24 -0600 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> Cowling hinges To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC2025ED23B@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Paul, The top and bottom hinges are attached using rivets. The firewall to cowl hinges are rivets on cowl and stainless steel wood screws on the firewall. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of paulwasp@webtv.net Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:39 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR> Cowling hinges Hi, all; Speaking of hinges, what methods are being utilized to attach them....and are they being used for top and sides at the firewall as well as top and bottom of the cowling? Hope the above isn't too confusing....thanks in advance. Paul KR2s Erie, PA _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:49:10 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR> getting a ride/ or comparable To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003701c51a88$61e79ad0$6401a8c0@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Lee: I have a suggestion for you that really helped me. Get on a Flight Sim 2000 or better and load the extra 300 and a good joy stick. Adjust the sensitivities of the elevator to max and the ailerons to about 25%. when you can manage that you will be a competent KR pilot. Give it a try and log about 20 hours of circuits and you will know that you can get it done safely. Worked for me. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:55 PM Subject: RE: KR> getting a ride/ or comparable und than a Citabria, but not quite as tame as a Super Cruiser or a > Pawnee. > > The sensitivity of the KR in the air is another matter and won't be > learned > in a Citabria. If you have any flight schools near you that have a Pitts > or > Extra it might be a good idea to get a little time in one. I have not > flown > either of those so others on the list can better comment on this. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Lee Van Dyke > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:06 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> getting a ride/ or comparable > > > Hey group, > > Since I have been unable to get a ride in a KR2, what is the most > comparable plane to the KR? > > Lee Van Dyke > Mesa AZ > Lee@vandyke5.com > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:15:16 -0600 From: Subject: Re: RE: KR> Cowling hinges To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050224161516.HWDN1218.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@[166.102.165.30]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have only seen them used on the bottom sides and the center where the bottom and top are joined. From: paulwasp@webtv.net Date: 2005/02/24 Thu AM 09:39:02 CST To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Subject: RE: KR> Cowling hinges Hi, all; Speaking of hinges, what methods are being utilized to attach them....and are they being used for top and sides at the firewall as well as top and bottom of the cowling? Hope the above isn't too confusing....thanks in advance. Paul KR2s Erie, PA _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:36:45 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> getting a ride/ or comparable To: "'Jim Sellars'" , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <003a01c51aa8$2d9dc770$b56cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Thanks Jim been using the Extra 300 on simulator with max sensitivity to stay sharp. Glad to know I'm at least in the ballpark. All my tailwheel time has been logged in DC3's and Lockheed Lodestars so I know that isn't going to help when it comes time to fly the KR. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario Get on a Flight Sim 2000 or better and load the extra 300 and a good joy stick. Adjust the sensitivities of the elevator to max and the ailerons to about 25%. when you can manage that you will be a competent KR pilot. Give it a try and log about 20 hours of circuits and you will know that you can get it done safely. Worked for me. Jim -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:48:22 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> getting a ride/ or comparable To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050224164822.00839250@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All my tailwheel time >has been logged in DC3's and Lockheed Lodestars so I know that isn't >going to help when it comes time to fly the KR. Doug Rupert ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The KR may be more sensitive and quicker to respond to control inputs but the principal is still the same. Keep the nose pointed in the direction you INTEND to travel. I had a total of 13 hours tailwheel time over a thirty year period when I started to taxi test my KR. After a couple of hours spread over several weeks I was comfortable bringing up the power, raising the tail, then cutting the power and rolling to a stop. If you can get to that point you are only two or three seconds from flight. I started to get an hour or two in a J4 before I flew but it was so grossly different on the controls that I made three circuits and called it quits. I did a few more high speed taxi runs in the KR and flew. Just make sure the day of your first flight has little or no wind. Personally, I think that recent flight time is just as important as tailwheel time. I'd suggest that anyone getting ready for a first flight have 8 to 10 hours of flight time in the 30 days before the first flight. If it's tailwheel time, even better. Recent flight time can only help to ratched down the pucker factor of the first flight. Another thing I practiced was to lock the brakes, bring the power up slowly, and practice raising the tail off the ground and hold it using elevator. In my KR it required about 2200 rpm. That helped me get used to the feel of the stick and elevator sensitivity. Use extra caution if you try it like maybe wheel chalks and tie the tail so you can't nose over or something. Use you best judgment here. One last hint and then I'll cease my rambling. When taxi testing, don't just taxi in a straight line. AT LOW SPEEDS, do some zig-zags back and forth. See how much rudder it takes to start a turn and how much it takes to stop a turn and bring the nose back to straight. The airplane will pretty much run a straight line on its own. You need to get the feel for amount and duration of control inputs. As always, your results may vary ! Larry Flesner 125 hours now and needing a KR fix. Hope the weather clears for the weekend. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:21:57 +1100 From: kr2 Subject: Re: KR> getting a ride/ or comparable To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <33373467.1109290917381.JavaMail.imail@web02ps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I agree with everything that Larry said and recommend a grass strip for your first cross wind operation as it is more forgiving. I also recommend flying gliders as they have very sensitive controls and are tail draggers requiring a lot of pedal dancing when on the ground as you are balancing on only one main wheel. 17.5 hours (too much work lately, but tomorrow it WILL be different) Regards Barry Kruyssen Kr2@tpg.com.au ---- larry flesner wrote: The KR may be more sensitive and quicker to respond to control inputs > but the principal is still the same. Keep the nose pointed in the direction > you INTEND to travel. I had a total of 13 hours tailwheel time over a thirty > year period when I started to taxi test my KR. After a couple of hours > spread over several weeks I was comfortable bringing up the power, > raising the tail, then cutting the power and rolling to a stop. If you can > get to that point you are only two or three seconds from flight. I started to > get an hour or two in a J4 before I flew but it was so grossly different on > the controls that I made three circuits and called it quits. I did a few more > high speed taxi runs in the KR and flew. Just make sure the day of your > first flight has little or no wind. Personally, I think that recent flight > time > is just as important as tailwheel time. I'd suggest that anyone getting > ready for a first flight have 8 to 10 hours of flight time in the 30 days > before the first flight. If it's tailwheel time, even better. Recent flight > time can only help to ratched down the pucker factor of the first flight. > > Another thing I practiced was to lock the brakes, bring the power up > slowly, and practice raising the tail off the ground and hold it using > elevator. In my KR it required about 2200 rpm. That helped me > get used to the feel of the stick and elevator sensitivity. Use extra > caution if you try it like maybe wheel chalks and tie the tail so you > can't nose over or something. Use you best judgment here. > > One last hint and then I'll cease my rambling. When taxi testing, > don't just taxi in a straight line. AT LOW SPEEDS, do some zig-zags > back and forth. See how much rudder it takes to start a turn and > how much it takes to stop a turn and bring the nose back to straight. > The airplane will pretty much run a straight line on its own. You need > to get the feel for amount and duration of control inputs. > > As always, your results may vary ! > > Larry Flesner > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:04:45 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: KR> Question for builders who have flown To: "KRNET" Message-ID: <000401c51ae6$c60fc650$8f722241@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have made three "first flights", and had the feeling in each case that I had already flown the airplane. I think that a builder spends so much time thinking about the aircreaft that it's almost likwe a simulator. I'll have to admit that there were still big surprises on each "first", but still, I had a "prepared feeling (I wasn't). Ron Freiberger mail to rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com <- substitute an @ sign ;o) ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 84 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================